And remember, we now know that talking to any enemy of ours is the exact same as appeasement and surrender...Just another massive flip flop from the Straight Talk Express!
Hypocrisy on Hamas
McCain Was for Talking Before He Was Against It
By James P. Rubin
Friday, May 16, 2008; Page A19
If the recent exchanges between President Bush, Barack Obama and John McCain on Hamas and terrorism are a preview of the general election, we are in for an ugly six months. Despite his reputation in the media as a charming maverick, McCain has shown that he is also happy to use Nixon-style dirty campaign tactics. By charging recently that Hamas is rooting for an Obama victory, McCain tried to use guilt by association to suggest that Obama is weak on national security and won't stand up to terrorist organizations, or that, as Richard Nixon might have put it, Obama is soft on Israel.
President Bush picked up this theme yesterday. Without naming Obama during his speech last night to Israel's Knesset, Bush suggested that Democrats want to "negotiate with terrorists" while Republicans want to fight terrorists.
The Obama campaign was right to criticize the president for his remarks and for engaging in partisan politics while overseas. Many presidents have said things abroad that could be construed as violating this unwritten rule of American politics. But it is hard to remember any president abusing the prestige of his office in as crude a way as Bush did yesterday. Charging your opponents with appeasement and likening them to Neville Chamberlain in the Knesset is a brutal blow. It is bad enough that Republicans use the politics of personal destruction here at home, but to deploy that kind of political weapon at an occasion as solemn as an American president addressing the parliament of a friendly government marks a new low.
McCain, meanwhile, is guilty of hypocrisy. I am a supporter of Hillary Clinton and believe that she was right to say, about McCain's statement on Hamas, "I don't think that anybody should take that seriously." Unfortunately, the Republicans know that some people will. That's why they say such things.
But given his own position on Hamas, McCain is the last politician who should be attacking Obama. Two years ago, just after Hamas won the Palestinian parliamentary elections, I interviewed McCain for the British network Sky News's "World News Tonight" program. Here is the crucial part of our exchange:
I asked: "Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?"
McCain answered: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that."
For some Europeans in Davos, Switzerland, where the interview took place, that's a perfectly reasonable answer. But it is an unusual if not unique response for an American politician from either party. And it is most certainly not how the newly conservative presumptive Republican nominee would reply today.
Given that exchange, the new John McCain might say that Hamas should be rooting for the old John McCain to win the presidential election. The old John McCain, it appears, was ready to do business with a Hamas-led government, while both Clinton and Obama have said that Hamas must change its policies toward Israel and terrorism before it can have diplomatic relations with the United States.
Even if McCain had not favored doing business with Hamas two years ago, he had no business smearing Barack Obama. But given his stated position then, it is either the height of hypocrisy or a case of political amnesia for McCain to inject Hamas into the American election.
mkriss5681
I liked McCain from 2000-2006 until he became a right wing shill to help tie up the nomination.
trentking
They all spread so much bullshit that they can't keep it straight. Then they back pedal when someone calls them on it. This has been happening ever since I've started listening to what politician were saying.
TRUST/LOYALITY '08
Reverend Tyler
Obama will speak in an hour blasting Bush's idiotic understanding of appeasement as well as John McCain's failure as well. Either way, this clip will play many more times on cable news stations (except FOX, of course)
mkriss5681
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler Obama will speak in an hour blasting Bush's idiotic understanding of appeasement as well as John McCain's failure as well. Either way, this clip will play many more times on cable news stations (except FOX, of course)
Cool. I can't wait. He has plenty of ammo go attack Bush with. I really think Obama should focus his attacks on Bush at this point. George Jr is by far the rights weakest link.
Reverend Tyler
Bush really helped Obama yesterday. Bush-McCain is now firmly established.
mkriss5681
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler Bush really helped Obama yesterday. Bush-McCain is now firmly established.
Like i said in another post. Obama should point all his canons at Bush at the short term. He's an easy target and it helps him attack McCain in the long run. Bush fired the first shot now Obama can finish his ass off.
JTProcess
This is so awesome... the republican candidate is crashing and burning before before the general has even started.
BarkonCue
Obama could choose Fidel Castro as his running mate, and still clean the floor with this guy!
AcquiringSignal
McCain is the BIGGEST Flip Flopper ever. He is going to get nailed in the general election.
IF 6 WAS 9
And all the righties are mysteriously NOT IN THIS THREAD....
Anogram
Looks like a wheel just fell off the flip flop express.
Stonewall
Where does John McCain say he wants negotiations with Hamas?
Reverend Tyler
Quote: Originally posted by AcquiringSignal McCain is the BIGGEST Flip Flopper ever. He is going to get nailed in the general election.
Pretty much, yeah
zimmie
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall Where does John McCain say he wants negotiations with Hamas?
the article never said McCain would negotiate with Hamas but these stooges can't read.......
:jj: :jj: :jj:
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie the article never said McCain would negotiate with Hamas but these stooges can't read.......
:jj: :jj: :jj:
No he does not.
He says we have to deal with them one way or another. Nothing about negotiation. And, Obama said on Thursday that his Hamas policy is the same as McCain's. And, Obama says that he has never said he will talk to Hamas.
So, confusion is the Obamabot.
:)
VacateTheWord
Now don't we know better than to trust MSDNC by now (or as it has become to be known - MSBHO)?
Nice how they cut off the follow-up question:
To quote Senator McCain:
"the relationship will be dictated not by how the United States acts, but by how Hamas acts"
MSBHO and the Liberal Media - alive and kicking.
In fact - Reverend Tyler needs to amend the title of his post as it is as misleading as MSBHO's presentation. I expect a correction in light of the truth. Thank you.
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Now don't we know better than to trust MSDNC by now (or as it has become to be known - MSBHO)?
Nice how they cut off the follow-up question:
To quote Senator McCain:
"the relationship will be dictated not by how the United States acts, but by how Hamas acts"
MSBHO and the Liberal Media - alive and kicking.
In fact - Reverend Tyler needs to amend the title of his post as it is as misleading as MSBHO's presentation. I expect a correction in light of the truth. Thank you.
Well, the Obamabots wanted a response... it looks like they got one. Just goes to show you that you have to be careful what you wish for.
:)
Reverend Tyler
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Now don't we know better than to trust MSDNC by now (or as it has become to be known - MSBHO)?
Nice how they cut off the follow-up question:
To quote Senator McCain:
"the relationship will be dictated not by how the United States acts, but by how Hamas acts"
MSBHO and the Liberal Media - alive and kicking.
In fact - Reverend Tyler needs to amend the title of his post as it is as misleading as MSBHO's presentation. I expect a correction in light of the truth. Thank you.
Once you correct your thread that says Obama called Israel a "sore"
jigzaw
Sheesh. Hope Obama's not running with this one, cause it won't go far when you watch the rest of the tape. :rolleyes:
Rush Has AIDS
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie the article never said McCain would negotiate with Hamas but these stooges can't read.......
:jj: :jj: :jj:
McCain answered: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another,"
Ouch,,, Sorry Zim, I know that's gotta hurt....
Maybe you should not have dropped that reading comprehension class in the 3rd grade
Rush Has AIDS
Quote: Originally posted by VacateTheWord Now don't we know better than to trust MSDNC by now (or as it has become to be known - MSBHO)?
Nice how they cut off the follow-up question:
To quote Senator McCain:
"the relationship will be dictated not by how the United States acts, but by how Hamas acts"
MSBHO and the Liberal Media - alive and kicking.
In fact - Reverend Tyler needs to amend the title of his post as it is as misleading as MSBHO's presentation. I expect a correction in light of the truth. Thank you.
Wow... Looks like you guys need to watch the videos that you post, and listen to the context. McCain is talking about dealing with them diplomatically, based on their actions.
Sorry boys, you blew it again
AcquiringSignal
another funny one is ....
2013 we are getting out of Iraq THEN the sameday on his bus is is backpeddling and flip flopping everywhere.
This guy flip flops almost like everyone takes a breath.
FINALLY the news media who are in lust with McCain started to call him on his own words. Lets see is the bullshit fake cable news networks (all of them) will call McCain out on his lies and flip flops.
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