Quote: Originally posted by dave24s I don't get it.
Well, then you and Cashman have something in common.
dave24s
11 HR's in 60 innings? I wonder what those numbers would look like in the AL?
So, he beat the Yankees today. Of course he did because the Yankees offense is shit. If Santana were pitching for the Yankees, who's to say he wouldn't be 3-4 with a 4 era? Especially with the way the Yankees hit. it's not the pitching, Hankey. Today it was farnsworth, but when was any number insurmountable for this team? Never before this year. They can't hit and they have absolutely no heart.
They have no bench. Look at who they sent up in the ninth. Duncan and Ensberg. They have no defense - look at Giambi! Pitching is not this teams flaw. It's offense and defense. Santana would make no difference on this team at this point.
He's a great pitcher. One of the best in the game. But without support, he wouldn't help this team one bit.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s 11 HR's in 60 innings? I wonder what those numbers would look like in the AL?
So, he beat the Yankees today. Of course he did because the Yankees offense is shit. If Santana were pitching for the Yankees, who's to say he wouldn't be 3-4 with a 4 era? Especially with the way the Yankees hit. it's not the pitching, Hankey. Today it was farnsworth, but when was any number insurmountable for this team? Never before this year. They can't hit and they have absolutely no heart.
They have no bench. Look at who they sent up in the ninth. Duncan and Ensberg. They have no defense - look at Giambi! Pitching is not this teams flaw. It's offense and defense. Santana would make no difference on this team at this point.
He's a great pitcher. One of the best in the game. But without support, he wouldn't help this team one bit.
They seem to get some wins when Wang pitches.
Make all the excuses you want Dave.
I bet Cashman will tell Hank the same thing.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites lol, i do!
We do agree on quite a lot KOAW.
And I freely admit that David Wright is one of my favorite players in MLB.
I would take him over A-Rod any day of the week.
But I WISH the Yankees had Santana.
:afs:
I think Cashman should try to trade Hughes and Kennedy to the Mets right now for Santana.
Seeing how well those 2 worked out, Omar should take the deal in a second right?
I mean Cashman is a fucking genius...
Okay throw in Melky, he could platoon in the outfield.
THEN he would take the deal right?
:insane:
oneldef
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney
Dude, didn't you graduate college today? And this is how you celebrate?
Wow, you are a sad case.
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney They seem to get some wins when Wang pitches.
Make all the excuses you want Dave.
I bet Cashman will tell Hank the same thing.
Ask Wang how his last two starts have gone. DO you even watch the fucking games?
KingOfAllWhites
Congrats to badhand if he did graduate today.
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney We do agree on quite a lot KOAW.
And I freely admit that David Wright is one of my favorite players in MLB.
I would take him over A-Rod any day of the week.
But I WISH the Yankees had Santana.
:afs:
I think Cashman should try to trade Hughes and Kennedy to the Mets right now for Santana.
Seeing how well those 2 worked out, Omar should take the deal in a second right?
I mean Cashman is a fucking genius...
Okay throw in Melky, he could platoon in the outfield.
THEN he would take the deal right?
:insane:
See, this is why you piss people off because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Let's see, would you trade Wang, Hughes and Melky to the Twins for Santana? Because that was the final offer the Twins made.
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites Congrats to badhand if he did graduate today.
fuck him.
oneldef
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites Congrats to badhand if he did graduate today.
I agree. And my deepest sorrow if this is how pathetic his life is :jj:
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s Ask Wang how his last two starts have gone. DO you even watch the fucking games?
Seriously Dave...
Wang has 6 wins.
Only Dice-K (7 wins), Saunders (7 wins), and Webb (9 wins) are ahead of him.
He is tied for 4th among all MLB starting pitchers in wins.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????????????
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Seriously Dave...
Wang has 6 wins.
Only Dice-K (7 wins), Saunders (7 wins), and Webb (9 wins) are ahead of him.
He is tied for 4th among all MLB starting pitchers in wins.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????????????
DId you see Wang's last two starts?
If you did you would know what I'm talking about. ANd if the Yankees had an offense like they should have had thois year, Wang would likely be 8-0 right now.
dave24s
Wang's only had 3 starts where the Yankees scored more than three runs than their opponents.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s See, this is why you piss people off because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Let's see, would you trade Wang, Hughes and Melky to the Twins for Santana? Because that was the final offer the Twins made.
Dave, I have no idea about any "last offer" or where you get your info from.
Even if that WAS the last offer, it shouldn't have gotten that far.
If Cashman were HALF the GM you think he is he would have parted with EITHER Kennedy OR hughes, and some prospects like Jackson. Maybe he would have had to give up Melky.
But it just went WAAAAY too long, because he was battling with Hank.
In the end Cashman won. And when Cashman wins the Yankees LOSE!
LITERALLY!
jmiah666
God I wish it were later in the season so I could bash the Sox and Yanks for being behind the Rays. But chances are both will catch up and slug it out as usual(which I really enjoy watching by the way). Worst thing about the Sox and Yankees are their fans(thats my attempt to unite the Evil Empire and The Nation(by the way the most annoying and egotistical name for a fan base ever). And yes that was a parenthesis inside a parenthesis.
KingOfAllWhites
:lol:
The parenthesis inside a parenthesis is hot!
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s fuck him.
Dave seriously?
This is an Argument?
Santana is 5-0, 3.30 ERA
AND HE BEAT THE FUCKING YANKEES!!!
That is a 1 in the loss column that HE has caused.
When the Yanks COULD HAVE HAD is 5 in the WIN column.
Instead they have what Hughes and Kennedy contributed...
Kennedy 8.48 ERA, 0-3
Hughes 9.00 ERA, 0-4
That is 7 losses in the loss column.
Badhandhaney
Fire Cashman
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Dave, I have no idea about any "last offer" or where you get your info from.
Even if that WAS the last offer, it shouldn't have gotten that far.
If Cashman were HALF the GM you think he is he would have parted with EITHER Kennedy OR hughes, and some prospects like Jackson. Maybe he would have had to give up Melky.
But it just went WAAAAY too long, because he was battling with Hank.
In the end Cashman won. And when Cashman wins the Yankees LOSE!
LITERALLY!
I'm not saying not getting Santana was a great move. Look, since you don't know shit, let me explain it.
In order to get Santana, on the first offer, it would have been Hughes, Melky, Marquez and a fourth pitching prospect for him. Add to that a contract extension in the neighborhood of 20 mil a year. The Yankees are trying to CUT payroll, not add to it. Why give FOUR very good players for ONE pitcher plus 20 mil a year? That's not good business sense. You get pissed at Giambi, but the reason we can't get rid of him is because he costs us so much money and the Steins aren't walking away from 20 mil without getting something out of him. That's why he's on the team.
Cashman isn't the best GM ever. And he certainly has fucked up on pitching. But his youth movement, his efforts to cut payroll, are taking hold. Cash brought up Wang and Cano. he brought up Melky. He got Ohlendorf and Alberot Gonzalez by trading away an aging randy johnson who needed back surgery. He's got a farm loaded with good pitching, to the point where it's actually tough to find more than 6 good position prospects.
You seem to think it'sa fantasy world where you can throw players and money at teams and get what you want. The Yankees used to do that and look where it's got them. No where. So now they are trying something different. And for the record, Hal Steinbrenner wanted nothing to do with Sanatan from the beginning.
This team is plagued by it's horrible offense and horrible defense. With Wang, Moose, Pettitte, Rasner and whoever is #5 right now, I'd take that over last years april - june rotation any day of the week. Our bullpen (aside from Farnsy today) is far and away better than it was last year.
You think you're smart when you blame cashman but it really illustrates that you don't know shit.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites Congrats to badhand if he did graduate today.
Thanks dude!
Will I see you at the subway series games at Shea?
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Dave seriously?
This is an Argument?
Santana is 5-0, 3.30 ERA
Proof that you absolutely know nothing.
Santana is 4-2 with a 3.10ERA. ALso 11 HR's in 60 innings.
KingOfAllWhites
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Thanks dude!
Will I see you at the subway series games at Shea?
Quite possibly. Ask me again right before the games!
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s Proof that you absolutely know nothing.
Santana is 4-2 with a 3.10ERA. ALso 11 HR's in 60 innings.
Actually I own up to this.
It was a typo I wrote "5-0" by accident.
But YOU ARE WRONG TOO!!!
Hahahaha
he is 5-2 with a 3.3 ERA
He has 5 wins
You are wrong in the win column AND ERA
I made a typo, you are looking at yesterday's stats.
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites Quite possibly. Ask me again right before the games!
I should be at gate C before all 3 games.
We can at least meet up, and maybe you can get a pick with Mr. Met and Cowbell-Man.
dave24s
Again, I make a post that you have no reply to. I've done this several times. So I now know that I can get through to you yet you refuse to admit it.
Good.
And just so you know, Giambi was a Steinbrenner signing. Not a Cashman move.
And I do apologize, I didn't realize it took MLB.com fucking seven days to update their shit! fucking assholes.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s Again, I make a post that you have no reply to. I've done this several times. So I now know that I can get through to you yet you refuse to admit it.
Good.
And just so you know, Giambi was a Steinbrenner signing. Not a Cashman move.
And I do apologize, I didn't realize it took MLB.com fucking seven days to update their shit! fucking assholes.
Look, you know my philosophy.
I dislike Giambi because he was dishonest about his body, and basically STOLE that money.
I really have no issue with the position players the Yanks have had.
The ones Cash signed OR the ones Big Stein or Tampa signed.
That was NEVER my issue.
My issue with Cash is PITCHING!!!
Seriously, when the Yanks were winning championships it was with ESTABLISHED PITCHING mixed with Pettitte and Rivera.
Look at what signing big pitchers like SANTANA AND MATSUZAKA got them.
FOUR FUCKING CHAMPIONSHIPS.
Listen Dave...
They used guys like Clemens, Wells, Wettland, Nelson, Cone, Gooden and others.
These are guys like Dice-K and Santana.
Cahsman can't sign guys like that because he's an asshole.
HE makes nothing but bad pitching decisions.
You always say signing guys hurt the Yanks.
WRONG!
CASHMAN SIGNING PITCHING HURTS THE YANKS!
jmiah666
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s Again, I make a post that you have no reply to. I've done this several times. So I now know that I can get through to you yet you refuse to admit it.
Good.
And just so you know, Giambi was a Steinbrenner signing. Not a Cashman move.
And I do apologize, I didn't realize it took MLB.com fucking seven days to update their shit! fucking assholes.
So you dont actually pay attention on a day to day basis? You just look it up when you are in a e-fight?
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s Again, I make a post that you have no reply to. I've done this several times. So I now know that I can get through to you yet you refuse to admit it.
Good.
And just so you know, Giambi was a Steinbrenner signing. Not a Cashman move.
And I do apologize, I didn't realize it took MLB.com fucking seven days to update their shit! fucking assholes.
Oh, I will say that ONE GUY hat Cashman wanted and was overruled on was Vlad.
Big Stein overruled him and got Sheff.
But Sheff was so good, it was basically a wash.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by jmiah666 So you dont actually pay attention on a day to day basis? You just look it up when you are in a e-fight?
In Dave's defense there is sooooo much to know and he has a baby to take care of.
I also made a typo, and that just confuses everyone.
From now on go to ESPN.com, they are up to date.
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Oh, I will say that ONE GUY hat Cashman wanted and was overruled on was Vlad.
Big Stein overruled him and got Sheff.
But Sheff was so good, it was basically a wash.
Sheff was good for, what, two years? If we had Vlad in RF, this team would be a lot different than it is now.
We're both in agreement on pitching in that we've had shitty pitching lately. Our disagreement resides in whether pitching is to blame this year, I think.
My contention: Pitching isn't to blame this year because they offense hasn't been able to carry the poor performances of the kids, and anyone else for that matter. Perhaps if they score runs, Kennedy doesn't get scared of contact like he is now. Who knows. WHat I do know is that if this offense actually fired on all cylinders, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
You contend the team sucks this year because of pitching. I think. Wait, you don't believe in devloping pitching, rather just trade for it and spend lots of money to get it, right? I'm not being smart, that's a serious question. Then we have a difference in philosophy.
The FA market has been slim for a couple years now. You're not going to be able to find all the big names in free agency like in years past. So it makes sense to develop pitchers and players in your system so you have a good supply and when a reasonable FA shows up, you have the chips to trade. Santana didn't happen because the price was too high, plain and simple.
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by jmiah666 So you dont actually pay attention on a day to day basis? You just look it up when you are in a e-fight?
Go back to the lounge, faggot.
jmiah666
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s Go back to the lounge, faggot.
Wow I guess youre recycling posts now huh captain? Come up with something new sunshine.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s Sheff was good for, what, two years? If we had Vlad in RF, this team would be a lot different than it is now.
We're both in agreement on pitching in that we've had shitty pitching lately. Our disagreement resides in whether pitching is to blame this year, I think.
My contention: Pitching isn't to blame this year because they offense hasn't been able to carry the poor performances of the kids, and anyone else for that matter. Perhaps if they score runs, Kennedy doesn't get scared of contact like he is now. Who knows. WHat I do know is that if this offense actually fired on all cylinders, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
You contend the team sucks this year because of pitching. I think. Wait, you don't believe in devloping pitching, rather just trade for it and spend lots of money to get it, right? I'm not being smart, that's a serious question. Then we have a difference in philosophy.
The FA market has been slim for a couple years now. You're not going to be able to find all the big names in free agency like in years past. So it makes sense to develop pitchers and players in your system so you have a good supply and when a reasonable FA shows up, you have the chips to trade. Santana didn't happen because the price was too high, plain and simple.
Well, since you are being serious and not just calling me names...
If I were a GM, my philosophy would be as follows...
Since the success rate of "blue chip" prospect hitters being brought up from the minors is WAY higher than "blue chip" prospect pitchers being brought up, it is WAY safer to grow your own hitters and sign pitching.
If you have a crazy good pitcher in your system like Pettitte or Wang or Rivera, of course you hold on to them.
But that should only account for one starter and one bullpen man.
You trade for or SIGN established pitching.
You can use the success of a position player/hitter in the minors as a predictor of major league success.
But for a pitcher the best and safest predictor or major leage success is prior major league success.
When Gene Micheal built the dynasty he signed established pitching.
The 2007 Red Sox also won on established pitching... Dice-K, Schilling, Beckett
You can always use one starter from your farm system, it helps offset cost.
I would LOVE to run a team where I draft position players, and basically use OTHER teams as my pitching farm system.
That is my philosophy.
Good mix of young position players, with veterans for some leadership, or a clean up hitter.
Then sign established pitching.
That is how I would run my team.
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Well, since you are being serious and not just calling me names...
If I were a GM, my philosophy would be as follows...
Since the success rate of "blue chip" prospect hitters being brought up from the minors is WAY higher than "blue chip" prospect pitchers being brought up, it is WAY safer to grow your own hitters and sign pitching.
If you have a crazy good pitcher in your system like Pettitte or Wang or Rivera, of course you hold on to them.
But that should only account for one starter and one bullpen man.
You trade for or SIGN established pitching.
You can use the success of a position player/hitter in the minors as a predictor of major league success.
But for a pitcher the best and safest predictor or major leage success is prior major league success.
When Gene Micheal built the dynasty he signed established pitching.
The 2007 Red Sox also won on established pitching... Dice-K, Schilling, Beckett
You can always use one starter from your farm system, it helps offset cost.
I would LOVE to run a team where I draft position players, and basically use OTHER teams as my pitching farm system.
That is my philosophy.
Good mix of young position players, with veterans for some leadership, or a clean up hitter.
Then sign established pitching.
That is how I would run my team.
I agree in that you can't grow all your own pitching. You do need to acquire established pitchers, but at what cost? Is 20 mil a year for 7 years really worth it? The chance you take on all pitchers is 'how much do they have or have left'? How much does Johan have? What if he gives you only one good year, then all of a sudden you have another Pavano. What if his shoulder explodes in August of this year? The price was too steep, especially for an organization that is trying its hardest to cut payroll. Look at what comes off the books next year! With that flexibility, practically anyone is attainable.
This year, as Hank even said himself, is really a rebuilding year. It's a year to erase the mistakes of the past 5 years, instill a new philosophy, and begin a new dynasty.
anyways, that's it for me. hope to see you in the yankee thread again.
dave24s
One last thought. There was a team...the Diamondbacks I think...who's thought was that if you develop enough pitching, you're bound to find one or two gems. I think that's where the Yankees are going.
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by jmiah666 Wow I guess youre recycling posts now huh captain? Come up with something new sunshine.
Go back to the lounge, faggot.
Tool rocks.
jmiah666
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s Go back to the lounge, faggot.
Tool rocks.
Fuck you bitc.. wait goddamit if you are a TooL fan I gotta like ya you crafty rat bastard heres a beer my man :beer:
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by jmiah666 Fuck you bitc.. wait goddamit if you are a TooL fan I gotta like ya you crafty rat bastard heres a beer my man :beer:
Prison Sex is just about one of my favorite songs. :cum:
I've never seen tool in person, but I did see A Perfect Circle. Maynard is really something to watch live.
jmiah666
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s Prison Sex is just about one of my favorite songs. :cum:
I've never seen tool in person, but I did see A Perfect Circle. Maynard is really something to watch live.
You aint kidding man ive seen TooL two times and APC 3 times and I never left disappointed, except for one time when I had shitty seats at Staples and my wife and aunt were wasted and wouldnt shut the fuck up and I had to tell them to either be quiet and watch the show or I was gonna give them both a fucking indian burn, not to mention the 2 haggard broads dancing in front of us like the band could see em from 2 miles away!!!!!! They looked like the 4am shift at a truck stop titty bar, but other than that good times!!!!!
otto02
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Actually I own up to this.
It was a typo I wrote "5-0" by accident.
But YOU ARE WRONG TOO!!!
Hahahaha
he is 5-2 with a 3.3 ERA
He has 5 wins
You are wrong in the win column AND ERA
I made a typo, you are looking at yesterday's stats.
O.K. That was no typo, pal. You were just wrong, which is not surprising. A typo? That's funny.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by otto02 O.K. That was no typo, pal. You were just wrong, which is not surprising. A typo? That's funny.
No Otto, it was a typo.
I was looking at 3 pages of stats and got confused.
Dave had the correct stats but they were a day old, so he was also wrong.
Mine were up to date but I accidentally put a zero in Santana's loss column as opposed to a 2.
I am well aware that Johan is not undefeated.
But why are you even concerning yourself?
This is exactly why the Yankees thread is a piece of shit now. Because of crap like this.
Dave called me on my post, and I took responsibility, I also called him out on his but I realized he was quoting yesterday, so as a reasonable person I didn't harp on it.
I would rather discuss baseball, not the error he or I made.
But seriously, if you want to comment on Johan go ahead.
But trolling is lame, and it turns threads to shit.
So if you can't talk baseball, go act like a woman somewhere else.
nuge67
Yeah, we would have what, 2-3 more wins so far with Santana with no CF?
Cane Nation
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s it's not the pitching, Hankey. Today it was farnsworth
:scratch:
Wicked Red Sox
get a life man
dave24s
Haney, this was posted by a guy who is a professional scout. He won't reveal his identity but based on prior experience with thise dude, I believe him. Anyways, it's worth a look considering your argument.
SJ44 May 18th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Unless Johan Santana can hit, he has no value to this team. Not at the cost it would have taken to acquire him.
He’s giving up HR’s by the bushel. He beat a last place yesterday. Good for him. He is SUPPOSED to beat last place teams for the 138 million he’s being paid.
If he was in the AL, he would need to be on a team that can outhit his mistakes. That’s not this years Yankee team.
If they made the trade, they would have Johnny Damon playing CF, and still be short a starting pitcher or two.
Not exactly what you are looking for in playoff teams.
Sometimes, its best to take a step back and look at the trends in the game today.
The three worst teams in the AL right now (record-wise. Which is all that matters), are Seattle, Detroit and the Yankees.
What do those teams have in common?
1. All three were predicted by many to be playoff teams.
2. All three are among the oldest teams in the AL.
3. All three are among the worst hitting teams in the AL at this time.
4. All three lack overall team speed and athleticism. A player or two on your team does not equate overall team speed and athleticism.
5. All three teams play the game with next to zero energy or enthusiasm. In other words, they are so weighed down by expectations, they aren’t yet able to get out from under them. Its also a byproduct of age. Simply put, older teams don’t play with the energy young teams do.
6. All three teams have some parts but not all the parts of a successful, playoff-type team. They also find new ways to lose every night. The telltale sign of losing teams.
The game is trending younger and more athletic and the Yankees, Mariners and Tigers are trapped with rosters of guys who represented the “older” way of doing business.
That is glaring when you look at the changes in the game for the first quarter of the season.
Is weather, no greenies, lack of PED’s? I don’t know but, when you look at the teams doing well, the Yankees, Tigers and Mariners flaws are so visable, its going to be an uphill battle for those teams to right their collective ships the rest of the way.
Badhandhaney
I'm back in NJ.
I was listening to "Mike and the Mad Dog", and Mike just explained that Gene Micheal (Stick) and Hank Stienbrenner wanted Santana.
He stated that Hank is letting it "eat at him" that Santana is on the Mets.
They just rated Cashman as a "C" grade as a GM. They said he has wasted TONS of money on bad pitching, and that his bad moves have FAR outweighed the good.
Douchebag_AZ
GO DBACKS .. Webb rules!
Badhandhaney
Webb DOES fucking rule.
But what is up with Byrnes this season?
Douchebag_AZ
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Webb DOES fucking rule.
But what is up with Byrnes this season?
I have season tix and Byrnes thought he could steal on Pudge last night , he got a good jump and good run stayed low just Pudge threw right on point perfect ..
I always thought of Byrnes as over rated just gets a lot of attention cuz of his whole "Charlie Hustle" attitude
Douchebag_AZ
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Webb DOES fucking rule.
But what is up with Byrnes this season?
Webb is tearing it up i wanna see him break the 11-0 and record...
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by Douchebag_AZ I have season tix and Byrnes thought he could steal on Pudge last night , he got a good jump and good run stayed low just Pudge threw right on point perfect ..
I always thought of Byrnes as over rated just gets a lot of attention cuz of his whole "Charlie Hustle" attitude
Johnny Damon had that same attitude, but I guess their bodies can only keep up for so long.
Douchebag_AZ
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Johnny Damon had that same attitude, but I guess their bodies can only keep up for so long.
yeah he's no Pete Rose...
otto02
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney No Otto, it was a typo.
I was looking at 3 pages of stats and got confused.
Dave had the correct stats but they were a day old, so he was also wrong.
Mine were up to date but I accidentally put a zero in Santana's loss column as opposed to a 2.
I am well aware that Johan is not undefeated.
But why are you even concerning yourself?
This is exactly why the Yankees thread is a piece of shit now. Because of crap like this.
Dave called me on my post, and I took responsibility, I also called him out on his but I realized he was quoting yesterday, so as a reasonable person I didn't harp on it.
I would rather discuss baseball, not the error he or I made.
But seriously, if you want to comment on Johan go ahead.
But trolling is lame, and it turns threads to shit.
So if you can't talk baseball, go act like a woman somewhere else.
I knew that you hated women, you homo.
KingOfAllWhites
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney I'm back in NJ.
I was listening to "Mike and the Mad Dog", and Mike just explained that Gene Micheal (Stick) and Hank Stienbrenner wanted Santana.
He stated that Hank is letting it "eat at him" that Santana is on the Mets.
They just rated Cashman as a "C" grade as a GM. They said he has wasted TONS of money on bad pitching, and that his bad moves have FAR outweighed the good.
wow, for once they are keeping it real!
otto02
Hey haney, if you want to talk baseball I'll ask you this. Why have you never explained your ridiculous comments about why Josh Beckett is bad for young pitchers and how you would not want Chase Utley because of his "Philly mentality?" Is that baseball enough for you? That's why most think you are an idiot. Comments like that. Watch the game for 10 more years and then get back to me.
MikeyJJ
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney We do agree on quite a lot KOAW.
And I freely admit that David Wright is one of my favorite players in MLB.
I would take him over A-Rod any day of the week.
But I WISH the Yankees had Santana.
:afs:
I think Cashman should try to trade Hughes and Kennedy to the Mets right now for Santana.
Seeing how well those 2 worked out, Omar should take the deal in a second right?
I mean Cashman is a fucking genius...
Okay throw in Melky, he could platoon in the outfield.
THEN he would take the deal right?
:insane:
Posts like this are why you get tooled on so bad in the Yanks thread even though you call yourself a "fan."
If this is truly how you feel then you might as well contain all your posts to the Mets thread. I don't see any way the Yankees would be better with DWright in place of ARod. And the fact that you are willing to state on May 18, after only just over 1/4 of the season being in the books, that the choice not to get Santana was a bad one is just ludacris. I know you are big into sample sizes so why are you so willing to write off the return you may get from TWO highly-touted pitchers in their low 20s for what you may get from ONE that is close to 30 after only 40+ games this season?
If you wanna be a Mets fan so bad then just do it and clog up their thread with your long-winded posts...Been over twenty years since they won a WS so I surely won't call you a bandwagon jumper and I think everyone else in here will cut you some slack as well. I mean no one can blame you for jumping ship considering how many years of pain and suffering B-Cash has put you through. 5 whole years...wow...I am surprised you held on this long.
You tried the Yanks on for size for a few years, but your love affair obviously isn't working out so it is time to move on. I am sure Big George appreciates the revenue from all your Yankeeography video purchases and will still be able to eat if you start funding the boys from Shea instead.
otto02
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Webb DOES fucking rule.
But what is up with Byrnes this season?
He heard that you would've selected him if you had an expansion team. The curse of haney also applies to the Yankees. No wonder Yankee fans are asking you to turn in your card.
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by MikeyJJ Posts like this are why you get tooled on so bad in the Yanks thread even though you call yourself a "fan."
If this is truly how you feel then you might as well contain all your posts to the Mets thread. I don't see any way the Yankees would be better with DWright in place of ARod. And the fact that you are willing to state on May 18, after only just over 1/4 of the season being in the books, that the choice not to get Santana was a bad one is just ludacris. I know you are big into sample sizes so why are you so willing to write off the return you may get from TWO highly-touted pitchers in their low 20s for what you may get from ONE that is close to 30 after only 40+ games this season?
If you wanna be a Mets fan so bad then just do it and clog up their thread with your long-winded posts...Been over twenty years since they won a WS so I surely won't call you a bandwagon jumper and I think everyone else in here will cut you some slack as well. I mean no one can blame you for jumping ship considering how many years of pain and suffering B-Cash has put you through. 5 whole years...wow...I am surprised you held on this long.
You tried the Yanks on for size for a few years, but your love affair obviously isn't working out so it is time to move on. I am sure Big George appreciates the revenue from all your Yankeeography video purchases and will still be able to eat if you start funding the boys from Shea instead.
:dance:
KingOfAllWhites
give the fucking guy a break. You guys ride him like a japanese hooker!! :rolleyes:
dave24s
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites give the fucking guy a break. You guys ride him like a japanese hooker!! :rolleyes:
You don't give Nuge a break so why should we give Hankey one? ;)
woogayo
if there was the internets the day i graduated college, i wouldnt be on the computer. id be partying up with the bitches and drinking and doing some crazy shit. oh. thats right. i did that. :scratch: :fish:
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by otto02 Hey haney, if you want to talk baseball I'll ask you this. Why have you never explained your ridiculous comments about why Josh Beckett is bad for young pitchers and how you would not want Chase Utley because of his "Philly mentality?" Is that baseball enough for you? That's why most think you are an idiot. Comments like that. Watch the game for 10 more years and then get back to me.
Otto, I am allowed to dislike players AND entire teams.
If I were running a team there are players I would stay away from no matter how good they are.
Simply because I don't like how they have treated the media, fans, carried themselves on the field, or people they associated with.
There is a reason why Barry Bonds, Kenny Lofton, Sammy Sosa and others like Wells and Piazza are sitting at home instead of playing.
Piazza and Wells are old, but Sosa, Lofton and Bonds can still play.
But nobody wants them because of their attitudes.
As far as running a team goes, I would stay away from anyone who is cuttently with Philadelphia.
I just graduated from Penn State, so I am very familiar with the Phillies and their "phans".
Philadelphia is a disgusting cesspool, filled with crime, drugs and poverty.
And the fans are total pieces of garbage.
The Phillies are the losingest franchise in SPORTS history, and have one World Series in their history which Pete Rose handed them on a silver platter.
When Lenny Dykstra tried to do the same thing over a decade later they came up short.
AND DIDN'T GET TO THE POST SEASON AGAIN UNTIL LAST YEAR!!!
The organization is cheap, and does NOT care about winning, and when a player is making a lot of money, and no championships fall in their lap, they turn him into a villain and either let him walk or trade him away.
Chase Utley is a terrific 2nd baseman and is having a career year. He sems like a nice guy, and carries himself well. I would take him on a team before I would take A-Rod based on personality.
But if I had the choice I would prefer not to have a player from Philadelphia because I really don't like how things are done there.
Here is an article that sums up how I feel about the Phils:
He is not the best at his position like Utley may be, but he is great.
My issues with Beckett are his outbursts of anger, his problems with blisters, and his crappy attitude with the media.
in 2006 he had an ERA of 5.01, and although he won 20 games last year with an ERA of 3.27, his ERA right now is 4.67.
I realize he had a great post season, but I flat out dislike the guy and his attitude.
I dislike a few guys in baseball like A-Rod, Giambi, Cano, Torre, Randolph, Bonds, Lofton, Beckett, Schilling, Johnson, Mike Stanton, Elijah Dukes, Aaron Heilman, Scott Proctor, and many others.
I think they are just assholes to fans and media, and if I could pick an equally talented OR BETTER player before them to be on a team I am building from the ground up I would.
otto02
You still didn't answer the question, dummy. Why is Beckett a "bad influence on young pitchers?" Your Utley "reasons" are stupid. What did you write that really says anything about Utley? Long winded answer that say's nothing. As I live here in Philly I can say you're dead wrong on so many levels.
KingOfAllWhites
Quote: Originally posted by dave24s You don't give Nuge a break so why should we give Hankey one? ;)
Nuge says shit he does not even believe, just for the reaction. Comparing the two of them is completely off base!
Marinolaw
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney
As far as Beckett goes he is also a great player.
He is not the best at his position like Utley may be, but he is great.
My issues with Beckett are his outbursts of anger, his problems with blisters, and his crappy attitude with the media.
in 2006 he had an ERA of 5.01, and although he won 20 games last year with an ERA of 3.27, his ERA right now is 4.67.
I realize he had a great post season, but I flat out dislike the guy and his attitude.
I dislike a few guys in baseball like A-Rod, Giambi, Cano, Torre, Randolph, Bonds, Lofton, Beckett, Schilling, Johnson, Mike Stanton, Elijah Dukes, Aaron Heilman, Scott Proctor, and many others.
I think they are just assholes to fans and media, and if I could pick an equally talented OR BETTER player before them to be on a team I am building from the ground up I would.
you consider that "an outburst" and "treating the media like shit"? The idiot reporter asked an idiot question about his ex singing the National Anthem, should that question have been answered with anything but disdain.?
Pocc
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Otto, I am allowed to dislike players AND entire teams.
If I were running a team there are players I would stay away from no matter how good they are.
Simply because I don't like how they have treated the media, fans, carried themselves on the field, or people they associated with.
There is a reason why Barry Bonds, Kenny Lofton, Sammy Sosa and others like Wells and Piazza are sitting at home instead of playing.
Piazza and Wells are old, but Sosa, Lofton and Bonds can still play.
But nobody wants them because of their attitudes.
As far as running a team goes, I would stay away from anyone who is cuttently with Philadelphia.
I just graduated from Penn State, so I am very familiar with the Phillies and their "phans".
Philadelphia is a disgusting cesspool, filled with crime, drugs and poverty.
And the fans are total pieces of garbage.
The Phillies are the losingest franchise in SPORTS history, and have one World Series in their history which Pete Rose handed them on a silver platter.
When Lenny Dykstra tried to do the same thing over a decade later they came up short.
AND DIDN'T GET TO THE POST SEASON AGAIN UNTIL LAST YEAR!!!
The organization is cheap, and does NOT care about winning, and when a player is making a lot of money, and no championships fall in their lap, they turn him into a villain and either let him walk or trade him away.
Chase Utley is a terrific 2nd baseman and is having a career year. He sems like a nice guy, and carries himself well. I would take him on a team before I would take A-Rod based on personality.
But if I had the choice I would prefer not to have a player from Philadelphia because I really don't like how things are done there.
Here is an article that sums up how I feel about the Phils:
He is not the best at his position like Utley may be, but he is great.
My issues with Beckett are his outbursts of anger, his problems with blisters, and his crappy attitude with the media.
in 2006 he had an ERA of 5.01, and although he won 20 games last year with an ERA of 3.27, his ERA right now is 4.67.
I realize he had a great post season, but I flat out dislike the guy and his attitude.
I dislike a few guys in baseball like A-Rod, Giambi, Cano, Torre, Randolph, Bonds, Lofton, Beckett, Schilling, Johnson, Mike Stanton, Elijah Dukes, Aaron Heilman, Scott Proctor, and many others.
I think they are just assholes to fans and media, and if I could pick an equally talented OR BETTER player before them to be on a team I am building from the ground up I would.
You can take Beckett and Schilling off your list. They treat their fans with respect and have no problem signing autographs or talking baseball. Where do you get this shit from???
Badhandhaney
Look, I think you guys are failing to understand me.
It is probably my fault for not explaining myself correctly.
Signing a player is like a marriage, you can give me all the reasons in the world to sign a guy, but if they have made a bad impression on me for whatever reason, I reserve the right to choose an alternative.
This is simply my opinion, and I have never disputed the fact that we are talking about the truly elite in MLB regarding Utley and Beckett.
I simply don't like them.
Why are you so hung up on this fact?
I prefer Santana and Wang over Beckett.
I also prefer Webb and Zambrano over Beckett.
It is my personal preference.
Don't get all bent out of shape.
;)
Pocc
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Look, I think you guys are failing to understand me.
It is probably my fault for not explaining myself correctly.
Signing a player is like a marriage, you can give me all the reasons in the world to sign a guy, but if they have made a bad impression on me for whatever reason, I reserve the right to choose an alternative.
This is simply my opinion, and I have never disputed the fact that we are talking about the truly elite in MLB regarding Utley and Beckett.
I simply don't like them.
Why are you so hung up on this fact?
I prefer Santana and Wang over Beckett.
I also prefer Webb and Zambrano over Beckett.
It is my personal preference.
Don't get all bent out of shape.
;)
Im not all bent out of shape your comment on Beckett and Schilling was wrong and I pointed that out. How would you know about them,have you met either of them or been around them when they are with their fans? Has the city of Boston had problems with these two? You make these accusations in all your posts but have nothing to back any of it up. That you-tube of Beckett proves nothing. Did that reporter have any business asking him about an ex-girlfriend when she should have been asking about his pitching? I dont give a shit who you would want on "your team" dont go slandering 2 guys who do nothing but good for the city they play for.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by Pocc Im not all bent out of shape your comment on Beckett and Schilling was wrong and I pointed that out. How would you know about them,have you met either of them or been around them when they are with their fans? Has the city of Boston had problems with these two? You make these accusations in all your posts but have nothing to back any of it up. That you-tube of Beckett proves nothing. Did that reporter have any business asking him about an ex-girlfriend when she should have been asking about his pitching? I dont give a shit who you would want on "your team" dont go slandering 2 guys who do nothing but good for the city they play for.
Oh come on Pocc, I am one of the few Yankees fans who tries to keep on topic and talk about the Yanks.
I don't get obsessed with the Red Sox like many Yanks fans do.
And I didn't slander anyone lol. Calm down.
Look I have interacted with Utley, not Beckett and Schilling.
But you have to understand as a Yankees fan, I have watched Beckett since his days on the Marlins, and he has not been a player I can appreciate.
I'm sorry that everyone is flipping out that there are players I don't like.
lol
Guys, I'm allowed to dislike certain players.
Pocc
Nobody cares if you dislike them or not, but do you know enough of either of them to say they act like assholes to their fans? You said the shit own up to it, and before Otto gets in here you better take back that Philly smack too because the Bronx (where your favorite teams stadium is) is a dump compared to Philly.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by Pocc Nobody cares if you dislike them or not, but do you know enough of either of them to say they act like assholes to their fans? You said the shit own up to it, and before Otto gets in here you better take back that Philly smack too because the Bronx (where your favorite teams stadium is) is a dump compared to Philly.
Okay, that is fair.
But I do rememeber Schilling being a total asshole to NY fans when he was on the Diamondbacks AND Red Sox, so you are correct I guess it wasn't HIS fans he was an asshole to.
Same goes for Beckett.
That is reasonable, and a totally understandable point you make. So I can agree with you there.
Yes the Bronx IS a cesspool, I fucking hate that whole filthy area, but the entire city of NY compared to the entire city of Philly?
No way, Philly is hands down a complete shit-hole compared to the boroughs of NY.
Badhandhaney
P.S. I think Boston is an absolutely beautiful city, even though I dislike the Red Sox.
I also loved San Diego, Seattle and parts of Chicago.
Pocc
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Okay, that is fair.
But I do rememeber Schilling being a total asshole to NY fans when he was on the Diamondbacks AND Red Sox, so you are correct I guess it wasn't HIS fans he was an asshole to.
Same goes for Beckett.
That is reasonable, and a totally understandable point you make. So I can agree with you there.
Yes the Bronx IS a cesspool, I fucking hate that whole filthy area, but the entire city of NY compared to the entire city of Philly?
No way, Philly is hands down a complete shit-hole compared to the boroughs of NY.
But what does that have to do with the baseball team? You harp on always talking baseball but you always throw this type of stuff in to stir up shit. Stir it up all you want but dont start whining when people question you on your unbased opinions.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by Pocc But what does that have to do with the baseball team? You harp on always talking baseball but you always throw this type of stuff in to stir up shit. Stir it up all you want but dont start whining when people question you on your unbased opinions.
Look, if I were to build a team, with an unlimited payroll (like Cashman has) I wouldn't want guys I don't personally like.
End of story.
Marinolaw
Quote: Originally posted by Pocc But what does that have to do with the baseball team? You harp on always talking baseball but you always throw this type of stuff in to stir up shit. Stir it up all you want but dont start whining when people question you on your unbased opinions.
what "shit" did either of them give anyone?
Pocc
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Look, if I were to build a team, with an unlimited payroll (like Cashman has) I wouldn't want guys I don't personally like.
End of story.
Then thats all you need to say.
Pocc
Quote: Originally posted by Marinolaw what "shit" did either of them give anyone?
Who?
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by Pocc
BTW Epstien is a fucking genius, and HE went on record that he wouldn't have made the Beckett deal OR let Johnny Damon walk.
So...
I really fucking hate Brian Cashman, I think he has basically taken Gene Michael's championship team and plugged in TERRIBLE pitching.
The Yankees would be much better off with Santana, and unless Hughes AND Kennedy all of a sudden become AWESOME, I will not be convinced Cashman made the right move.
Johan should be a Yankee, and Hank and Stick are embarrassed that he isn't.
Pocc
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney BTW Epstien is a fucking genius, and HE went on record that he wouldn't have made the Beckett deal OR let Johnny Damon walk.
So...
I really fucking hate Brian Cashman, I think he has basically taken Gene Michael's championship team and plugged in TERRIBLE pitching.
The Yankees would be much better off with Santana, and unless Hughes AND Kennedy all of a sudden become AWESOME, I will not be convinced Cashman made the right move.
Johan should be a Yankee, and Hank and Stick are embarrassed that he isn't.
This is probably Cashmans last year. He doesnt get along with Hank and there is too much front office finger pointing to make me believe he will put up with it. Alot of the pitching they picked up was the best available at the time. Its not the people they got its the amounts of cash they threw at them.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by Pocc This is probably Cashmans last year. He doesnt get along with Hank and there is too much front office finger pointing to make me believe he will put up with it. Alot of the pitching they picked up was the best available at the time. Its not the people they got its the amounts of cash they threw at them.
Well "best available" or not is arguable.
No Dice-K, No Santana, Even your boy Beckett during the fire sale. What about Haren, Zambrano, and these type of guys?
Why is it other teams can get pitching, but the Yankees have gotten crap since the end of the 2003 season?
Look, Cashman makes bad decisions on pitching, and once he "took control" the starters and relievers have gotten worse.
Kevin Brown, Jaret Wright, Javier Vasquez, Heredia, Contreras, Pavano, Proctor, Farnsworth, Igawa etc.
And now Hughes and Kennedy? They suck.
Randy Johnson was a few years too late, and re-signing Mussina was not a genius idea.
Now Pettitte is becoming a mess, and WTF was up with spending all that money on Clemens last year???
So, the Yanks have Wang, Chamberlain, and Rivera is still around.
Fucking great, one starter and 2 relievers since 2004, great job Cash!
SO many other GM's are getting good pitchers, Minaya, Epstien etc.
Cashman has to go!
dave24s
Please go be a Mets fan. You clearly dislike the Yankees.
otto02
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Look, I think you guys are failing to understand me.
It is probably my fault for not explaining myself correctly.
Signing a player is like a marriage, you can give me all the reasons in the world to sign a guy, but if they have made a bad impression on me for whatever reason, I reserve the right to choose an alternative.
This is simply my opinion, and I have never disputed the fact that we are talking about the truly elite in MLB regarding Utley and Beckett.
I simply don't like them.
Why are you so hung up on this fact?
I prefer Santana and Wang over Beckett.
I also prefer Webb and Zambrano over Beckett.
It is my personal preference.
Don't get all bent out of shape.
;)
I'm hung up on this "fact" because YOU said Beckett was a bad influence on young pitchers. You still, after all of this time, have not clarified what the fuck that means. You think very idealisticly, like a child of 12 who's watched baseball for around 5 years or so.
otto02
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney Okay, that is fair.
But I do rememeber Schilling being a total asshole to NY fans when he was on the Diamondbacks AND Red Sox, so you are correct I guess it wasn't HIS fans he was an asshole to.
Same goes for Beckett.
That is reasonable, and a totally understandable point you make. So I can agree with you there.
Yes the Bronx IS a cesspool, I fucking hate that whole filthy area, but the entire city of NY compared to the entire city of Philly?
No way, Philly is hands down a complete shit-hole compared to the boroughs of NY.
Philly is a hotbed of Howard Stern listeners. Philly helped Stern jump start into his radio empire yet you slander a whole city from out in the farmlands of the Penn state area. Philly is just too tough of a town for the likes of you.
Badhandhaney
Quote: Originally posted by otto02 Philly is a hotbed of Howard Stern listeners. Philly helped Stern jump start into his radio empire yet you slander a whole city from out in the farmlands of the Penn state area. Philly is just too tough of a town for the likes of you.
First of all, If I think Beckett has a bad attitude, I would NOT want him on a staff with young pitching.
Get this through your thick fucking skull:
I don't like the way the guy carries himself, and that video is the only example I need.
CASE CLOSED.
As far a "Philly" goes, there is a difference between being "tough" and being ignorant to the point of violence.
Philly is a frustrated city, where ignorant behavior is the norm, and it is simply low class.
If you want me to think Philly is "tough" as opposed to just a cesspool, then you are going to have a very tough time convincing me.
otto02
Quote: Originally posted by Badhandhaney First of all, If I think Beckett has a bad attitude, I would NOT want him on a staff with young pitching.
Get this through your thick fucking skull:
I don't like the way the guy carries himself, and that video is the only example I need.
CASE CLOSED.
As far a "Philly" goes, there is a difference between being "tough" and being ignorant to the point of violence.
Philly is a frustrated city, where ignorant behavior is the norm, and it is simply low class.
If you want me to think Philly is "tough" as opposed to just a cesspool, then you are going to have a very tough time convincing me.
You are really stupid. Good luck in the real world, asshole. That video, as you know, was in response to a stupid question, something you know all too well. Still, where is the bad influence on young pitchers? Face it, you opened your idiotic mind, wrote something without thinking and now you can't back it up. God, I pray that you get a job with the Yanks
