If you can't understand that McCain will be a Bush re-dux, then you are a fucking idiot! Obama isn't perfect but he's the breath of fresh air this country needs.
Quote: Originally posted by cal!guL.A. Obama isn't perfect
Racist!
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by cal!guL.A. If you can't understand that McCain will be a Bush re-dux, then you are a fucking idiot! Obama isn't perfect but he's the breath of fresh air this country needs.
I don't see Obama as a 'breath of fresh air'. Maybe al Qaeda would view him that way.
acefree
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall I don't see Obama as a 'breath of fresh air'. Maybe al Qaeda would view him that way.
i used to think you are intelligent, and then i read silly illogical posts.
i dont think u are being seriuos, cause i know u arent dumb. theres lots of legit reasons not to want obama. this clearly isnt one. whats up with u, schtick?
cal!guL.A.
note:
instead of attacking what I wrote (I'm not running for President), just defend the video...if you can.
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by acefree i used to think you are intelligent, and then i read silly illogical posts.
i dont think u are being seriuos, cause i know u arent dumb.
I cannot think of a better choice for al Qaeda than Obama. That is who they would vote for. No doubt.
Whether or not Obama lives up to all their hopes and dreams, that may be another story.
acefree
Quote: Originally posted by cal!guL.A. If you can't understand that McCain will be a Bush re-dux, then you are a fucking idiot! Obama isn't perfect but he's the breath of fresh air this country needs.
actually i dont think mccain would be a bush redux. no one would.
"mccain is a 3rd bush term" is false. but politically its the proper play.
Ignatius Reilly
Muslims in theory hate Obama more than anyone.
He was born a muslim. His Father was a muslim. According to muslim law he is a muslim.
Yet he is christian. That shit is punishable by death.
Al Quada would probably be more motivated to assassinate him than the crazy KKK types.
Cause he is brown they automatically gotta like him? Come on. Al Quada loves republicans because republicans keep em relevant
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by cal!guL.A. note:
instead of attacking what I wrote (I'm not running for President), just defend the video...if you can.
It's hard to defend against such a thing considering it is snippets of conversations. Remember the last time anti-McCain people created a video, about Hamas? That did not work out too well.
acefree
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall I cannot think of a better choice for al Qaeda than Obama. That is who they would vote for. No doubt.
Whether or not Obama lives up to all their hopes and dreams, that may be another story.
talk straight bro. u dont gotta spin me or word game me. i respect u, so fuckin show some back.
your statement is a logical fallacy. thats a fact. and since i dont think u are dumb, that means u use them on purpose as a tricking technique.
so are u stupid, or just disingenuous?
im not goina even debate an issue until u agree to be real. what say u?
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by Ignatius Reilly Muslims in theory hate Obama more than anyone.
He was born a muslim. His Father was a muslim. According to muslim law he is a muslim.
Yet he is christian. That shit is punishable by death.
Al Quada would probably be more motivated to assassinate him than the crazy KKK types.
Cause he is brown they automatically gotta like him? Come on. Al Quada loves republicans because republicans keep em relevant
They would not kill him right away. There is a process.
Perhaps they believe he is still a Muslim and just covering it up? Muslims are free to lie to the infidel.
mingmen
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall I cannot think of a better choice for al Qaeda than Obama.
the answer is...mc same
mingmen
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall They would not kill him right away. There is a process.
Perhaps they believe he is still a Muslim and just covering it up? Muslims are free to lie to the infidel.
can you prove that monkeys will never fly out of your ass?
Reverend Tyler
Quote: Originally posted by Ignatius Reilly Muslims in theory hate Obama more than anyone.
He was born a muslim. His Father was a muslim. According to muslim law he is a muslim.
Yet he is christian. That shit is punishable by death.
Al Quada would probably be more motivated to assassinate him than the crazy KKK types.
Cause he is brown they automatically gotta like him? Come on. Al Quada loves republicans because republicans keep em relevant
His father was an atheist. He also abandoned Obama when he was 2. He was never a muslim.
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen can you prove that monkeys will never fly out of your ass?
is this guy doing schtick? he 'appears' slightly intelligent, then all the sudden he insists 1+1=3.
wtf cant even 1 person here that i disagree with still be intelligent?
i watch republican congressman say intelligent stuff, even tho i disagree with them.
same with my friends, most of which are republicans. why is SFN all retards?
cal!guL.A.
"Obama is muslim"
"Terrorists want Obama to win"
"I won't vote for Obama becaues he is black"
"If Obama wins then we might get attacked again"
-sigh-
The people of this country have done very little progessing, but continue to be one of the most ignorant and mis-informed.
I'll say it again. If you can't see that McCain will be no different than Bush, you are a fucking idiot.
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by acefree based on what information though?
talk straight bro. u dont gotta spin me or word game me. i respect u, so show some back.
your statement is a logical fallacy. and since i dont think u are dumb, that mea
Based on his Iraq policy. It is perfect for them.
Obama plans to pull out of Iraq and only keep enough troops to secure the embassy and fight al Qaeda. So, he will target al Qaeda in Iraq if he can know where they are... in the meantime Iraq falls apart because of course it is only staying the way it is now because the U.S. is there. Once we leave that will put Iraq in play once more. And, with the U.S, still targeting al Qaeda we will see that when we do strike them, guess what they were innocent Iraqi's we killed. And, all the problems in Iraq can be blamed on the U.S.. We will still be a force, not for the good of Iraqi's but only to satisfy ourselves and the war on al Qaeda. We will stand by and just witness all the atrocity. We will be blamed for instigating the atrocities and who is to say differently? We are there and we are doing nothing to stop the killings, we are just there to protect the embassy and kill al Qaeda. Or, as they will be known... innocent Iraqi's.
mingmen
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall Based on his Iraq policy. It is perfect for them.
Obama plans to pull out of Iraq and only keep enough troops to secure the embassy and fight al Qaeda. So, he will target al Qaeda in Iraq if he can know where they are... in the meantime Iraq falls apart because of course it is only staying the way it is now because the U.S. is there. Once we leave that will put Iraq in play once more. And, with the U.S, still targeting al Qaeda we will see that when we do strike them, guess what they were innocent Iraqi's we killed. And, all the problems in Iraq can be blamed on the U.S.. We will still be a force, not for the good of Iraqi's but only to satisfy ourselves and the war on al Qaeda. We will stand by and just witness all the atrocity. We will be blamed for instigating the atrocities and who is to say differently? We are there and we are doing nothing to stop the killings, we are just there to protect the embassy and kill al Qaeda. Or, as they will be known... innocent Iraqi's.
that is a lot of "we will" concerning a candidate whose position you claim to not understand
chicagoirishtim
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall I cannot think of a better choice for al Qaeda than Obama. That is who they would vote for. No doubt.
Whether or not Obama lives up to all their hopes and dreams, that may be another story.
you realize that al qaeda pulled of their biggest attack under W, and you realize that al qaeda is stronger now then it was in 1999.
Jackie's Career
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Perhaps they believe he is still a Muslim and just covering it up? Muslims are free to lie to the infidel.
I do think they would prefer Obama over McCain, but that is some pretty weak kool-aid my friend.
I think Al Queda and many of Obama's supporters will be sorely disappointed to find out that the War on Terror will not change much if he is elected.
its-just-a-ride
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall
Perhaps they believe he is still a Muslim and just covering it up?
Yeah, that sounds plausible.
dick
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler His father was an atheist. He also abandoned Obama when he was 2. He was never a muslim.
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall Based on his Iraq policy. It is perfect for them.
Obama plans to pull out of Iraq and only keep enough troops to secure the embassy and fight al Qaeda.
Dude, he's a politician, it's an election! Need I remind you: "read my lips" ??
Jackie's Career
Quote: Originally posted by chicagoirishtim you realize that al qaeda is stronger now then it was in 1999.
I dont see how. In 1999 they had control of an entire country and were able to plan things like 9/11. Now they are in hiding, on the run, or wasting away at Gitmo. The idea that Al Queda is somehow how stronger or got what they wanted in response to 9/11 is pretty retarded.
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen that is a lot of "we will" concerning a candidate whose position you claim to not understand
Obama has made it pretty clear on his intentions for Iraq. He has not wavered that I can see.
His Iran policy is where the trouble is. And, probably others too but I'm not concerned with the other things that he will not get passed on the domestic front anyway.
Believe me if Obama is elected he will be forced to stay with his plan.
Stonewall
Here is Obama saying he was not gonna run for President and giving reason why...
chicagoirishtim
Quote: Originally posted by Jackies Career I dont see how. In 1999 they had control of an entire country and were able to plan things like 9/11. Now they are in hiding, on the run, or wasting away at Gitmo. The idea that Al Queda is somehow how stronger or got what they wanted in response to 9/11 is pretty retarded.
That's good right? All we have been hearing is how Bush has caused al Qaeda to grow and grow and grow...Pre-9/11 is what about 1000 al Qaeda members?
mingmen
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall Obama has made it pretty clear on his intentions for Iraq. He has not wavered that I can see.
His Iran policy is where the trouble is.
how do you imagine that it would be inferior to mc same's iran policy? or is it also a wash between them?
is Iran another muslim land that we won't need to leave?
chicagoirishtim
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall Pre-9/11 strength?
That's good right? All we have been hearing is how Bush has caused al Qaeda to grow and grow and grow...Pre-9/11 is what about 1000 al Qaeda members?
so you're proud of the fact that we have bombed and occupied two countries for over 5 years, killing millions of innocent people all in the name of getting the people who attacked us on 9-11 and we haven't even made a dent in their size and strength.
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by chicagoirishtim so you're proud of the fact that we have bombed and occupied two countries for over 5 years, killing millions of innocent people all in the name of getting the people who attacked us on 9-11 and we haven't even made a dent in their size and strength.
When did we kill millions of innocent people?
Jack Shit
Quote: Originally posted by acefree talk straight bro. u dont gotta spin me or word game me. i respect u, so fuckin show some back.
your statement is a logical fallacy. thats a fact. and since i dont think u are dumb, that means u use them on purpose as a tricking technique.
so are u stupid, or just disingenuous?
im not goina even debate an issue until u agree to be real. what say u?
You're wasting your breath.
chicagoirishtim
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall When did we kill millions of innocent people?
uh, in Iraq and Afghansitan. Sadly we have brought them "freedom", but not the ability to count how many we've actually killed so there is not an actual number. Oh well, at least the live in the most violent country in the world where 70% of the people don't have clean water.
mingmen
Quote: Originally posted by chicagoirishtim uh, in Iraq and Afghansitan. Sadly we have brought them "freedom", but not the ability to count how many we've actually killed so there is not an actual number. Oh well, at least the live in the most violent country in the world where 70% of the people don't have clean water.
you forget...that is what stumpy thinks they deserve
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by chicagoirishtim uh, in Iraq and Afghansitan. Sadly we have brought them "freedom", but not the ability to count how many we've actually killed so there is not an actual number. Oh well, at least the live in the most violent country in the world where 70% of the people don't have clean water.
We have not brought them freedom.
If there is not an actual number then where do you get the idea that we have killed millions of innocent people?
mingmen
Some researchers say that over a million Iraqis, disproportionately children, died as a result of the sanctions, [8] although other estimates have ranged as low as 170,000 children. [6] [9] [10] UNICEF announced that 500,000 child deaths have occurred as a result of the sanctions.[11] The sanctions resulted in high rates of malnutrition, lack of medical supplies, and diseases from lack of clean water. Chlorine, was desperately needed to disinfect water supplies, but it was banned from the country due to the potential that it may be used as part of a chemical weapon. On May 10, 1996, Madeleine Albright (U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations at the time) appeared on 60 Minutes and was confronted with statistics of half a million children under five having died as a result of the sanctions. She replied "we think the price is worth it", though in her 2003 autobiography she wrote of her response (answering a loaded question):[12][13]
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall We have not brought them freedom.
If there is not an actual number then where do you get the idea that we have killed millions of innocent people?
“We don’t do body counts”. General Tommy Franks
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen you forget...that is what stumpy thinks they deserve
There you go again...
mingmen
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall There you go again...
you don't think they deserve it?
a. yes
b. no
John Titor
Quote: Originally posted by Jackies Career Racist!
:lol:
Abba
Quote: Originally posted by Stonewall They would not kill him right away. There is a process.
Perhaps they believe he is still a Muslim and just covering it up? Muslims are free to lie to the infidel.
So are Jews.
John Robert
Great video. Thanks!
NoName
Quote: Originally posted by cal!guL.A. If you can't understand that McCain will be a Bush re-dux, then you are a fucking idiot! Obama isn't perfect but he's the breath of fresh air this country needs.
You're wasting your time talking to the Wrong-wingers. They are void of a daddy figure, which is why they bow to Bush/McCain. It's sad but what are you going to do?
NoName
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen Some researchers say that over a million Iraqis, disproportionately children, died as a result of the sanctions, [8] although other estimates have ranged as low as 170,000 children. [6] [9] [10] UNICEF announced that 500,000 child deaths have occurred as a result of the sanctions.[11] The sanctions resulted in high rates of malnutrition, lack of medical supplies, and diseases from lack of clean water. Chlorine, was desperately needed to disinfect water supplies, but it was banned from the country due to the potential that it may be used as part of a chemical weapon. On May 10, 1996, Madeleine Albright (U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations at the time) appeared on 60 Minutes and was confronted with statistics of half a million children under five having died as a result of the sanctions. She replied "we think the price is worth it", though in her 2003 autobiography she wrote of her response (answering a loaded question):[12][13]
You are asking people who believe they are "patriotic" because they support a failed presidency to become HUMAN! They don't look at Iraqis as people. It is so cowardly it is beyond words.
Stonewall
Quote: Originally posted by NoName You are asking people who believe they are "patriotic" because they support a failed presidency to become HUMAN! They don't look at Iraqis as people. It is so cowardly it is beyond words.
The sanctions on Iraq were sanctions that the world applied to Iraq because of their leadership.
Saddam easily could have ended the troubles for his country but he decided not to do so. And, he decided right away, right after the first Gulf War, to do all he could to thwart the international communities desire to disarm Iraq.
Saddam violated sanctions as best he could, just not in a way that would help his people, of course.
Whatever occurred in Iraq because of sanctions can be laid at the feet of Saddam.
Sanctions did not include food or medicine. Whoever died in Iraq because of sanctions, they died because Saddam wanted them to. He wanted children and others dead. It helped his propaganda and it helped al Qaeda's propaganda.
I'm not sure where you get your opinions but the world is not always the way we want it to be. Sometimes we have to look passed an opinion that we want to believe and actually research even if that leads to an opinion that we did not want.
Syxxpac78
Whatever...I think Obama would be a breath of fresh air as well. Plus I'm a pacifist and think that diplomatic relations are much needed these days.....
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