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| DevilDog |
Jesus fucking christ, people! GET OVER IT!!! We've been paying SUBSIDIZED prices for decades. Other countries have always paid way more than we have. The demand is MUCH greater around the world now - hence supply and demand. This is our new reality. Deal with it
These "reasons" Bubba gives, especially today, are fucking absurd. yeah, low-emission grade diesel does cost more. But, gee, Bubba, which air would you like to breathe and your kid? I'd say the stuff that emits a shitload LESS fine particles and other pollutants.
I'm so tired of hearing people who don't know SHIT about what's going on just make shit up. Our moron president isn't competent enough to affect prices. Hell, the Arabs just told him to fuck off last week when he went begging them to increase production!
I really hate it that our truckers are affected. but the simple fact is that our entire travel and freight infrastructure was built on subsidized commodities with NO PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE. Just like the short-sighted idiots who went out and bought gas-guzzling SUVs and whatnot. They didn't give a shit about what might happen down the road. They just did what they wanted to. Now that prices are where they SHOULD be, they want "someone" to do something. Well, how about this: STOP WASTING GAS AND OIL BY BEING A WASTEFUL, BLIND CONSUMER?
People in this country allllways want to blame someone else for their problems. Maybe it's time people started looking at how fucking wasteful they've been the past 30 years.
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| OneEyedPete |
| Bubba is trying to appeal to the every man that listens to his show, in this case FTE's |
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| Greengoblin |
How much gas does the Racing use up?
Does he pay for that? |
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| Rogue Guy |
Year 2000 Barrel of Oil $27 (first year Bush took office), today $127?
How the fuck did the supply get so low and the demand get so high in 8 years?
Wake up! The gas companies and the dune coons are price fixing.
But I agree with you, time to get off oil. |
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| DevilDog |
Quote: Originally posted by Rogue Guy
Year 2000 Barrel of Oil $27 (first year Bush took office), today $127?
How the fuck did the supply get so low and the demand get so high in 8 years?
Wake up! The gas companies and the dune coons are price fixing.
But I agree with you, time to get off oil. |
Why don't you do some research and see how much demand has gone up in India and China in the past 8 years? I certainly won't make excuses for the oil companies, as they've made one hell of a business ripping people off. But the fact is there are two other nations WITH OVER A BILLION PEOPLE EACH that are tasting "the good life" we've enjoyed for 100 years. |
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| kevokev |
| Get Over it? Its ruining our economy. |
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| Greengoblin |
Quote: Originally posted by DevilDog
Why don't you do some research and see how much demand has gone up in India and China in the past 8 years? I certainly won't make excuses for the oil companies, as they've made one hell of a business ripping people off. But the fact is there are two other nations WITH OVER A BILLION PEOPLE EACH that are tasting "the good life" we've enjoyed for 100 years. |
Nice!!
It's far from just our fault |
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| jeebus_unit |
Nope...
Wont happen. I'm glad people are pissed off about gas prices and ranting. I'd be a lot more worrried if Americans were keeping quiet. |
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| DevilDog |
Quote: Originally posted by kevokev
Get Over it? Its ruining our economy. |
Well, unfortunately, we're long overdue for some tough love. We've been lured into super cheap over-consumption of (insert good here) for years - cheap credit, etc. We consume tons of resources without a second thought of what the consequences are. Frankly, our economy is built on a house of cards. It can only survive, in a sense, by continuous "growth." Well, that growth is essentially exponential consumption. And that is impossible to maintain. Impossible. At some point, a rapidly growing population in the US is going to over-consume. Which I think maybe we've hit that wall. And now we're beginning to pay the price.
Frankly, I'm happy reading in the newspapers that more people are riding bikes, driving LESS (traffic dropped for the first time ever this wknd in the US overall) and taking mass transit out of necessity. It's the mindset that could have saved us from all this turmoil. But the sad thing is that we're too fucking lazy and won't change our habits unless forced to. |
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| kevokev |
Quote: Originally posted by DevilDog
Well, unfortunately, we're long overdue for some tough love. We've been lured into super cheap over-consumption of (insert good here) for years - cheap credit, etc. We consume tons of resources without a second thought of what the consequences are. Frankly, our economy is built on a house of cards. It can only survive, in a sense, by continuous "growth." Well, that growth is essentially exponential consumption. And that is impossible to maintain. Impossible. At some point, a rapidly growing population in the US is going to over-consume. Which I think maybe we've hit that wall. And now we're beginning to pay the price.
Frankly, I'm happy reading in the newspapers that more people are riding bikes, driving LESS (traffic dropped for the first time ever this wknd in the US overall) and taking mass transit out of necessity. It's the mindset that could have saved us from all this turmoil. But the sad thing is that we're too fucking lazy and won't change our habits unless forced to. |
fuck you, so in other words we deserve it? Maybe to some degree thats true, but your happy about it. So yes we as a country are ultimately the ones responsible for our current situation in that we have consumed to excess and lived decadently for some time now with relatively cheap gas. But this is going to hurt every single one of us, including those who have tried to limit their consumption and take mass transit or ride a bike. But you are happy to see this happen, you think we are being taught some type of lesson. You would gladly roll over and let things get worse and worse. You think your so fucking righteous. Asshole just because it makes sense that things are bad, doesn't make it a good thing that we should just let happen. |
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| Bobby Bowie |
| You sound like a god damn tree hugger. |
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| DevilDog |
Quote: Originally posted by kevokev
Asshole just because it makes sense that things are bad, doesn't make it a good thing that we should just let happen. |
Good or bad, it's necessary for our long term survival. But, as I said, no one wants to think about the long term. That's why so many fucking people are in debt because they live off their credit cards and don't save a dime of their paychecks because they HAVE to have that plasma TV, Playstations and 50 games, Cadillac Escalades, etc.
If people actually lived within their means, we wouldn't be in this predicament. Yet, when things get bad - like all those idiots who bought homes they couldn't afford - they expect a fucking bailout with MY tax dollars.
So, fuck you, too. |
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| DevilDog |
Quote: Originally posted by Bobby Bowie
You sound like a god damn tree hugger. |
No, I'm a realist. |
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| SantosLHalper |
| go tell that to the 1000 or so jevic trucking company employees that lost their jobs when the company folded due to gas & insurance prices. |
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| llylabrat |
Quote: Originally posted by DevilDog
Good or bad, it's necessary for our long term survival. But, as I said, no one wants to think about the long term. That's why so many fucking people are in debt because they live off their credit cards and don't save a dime of their paychecks because they HAVE to have that plasma TV, Playstations and 50 games, Cadillac Escalades, etc.
If people actually lived within their means, we wouldn't be in this predicament. Yet, when things get bad - like all those idiots who bought homes they couldn't afford - they expect a fucking bailout with MY tax dollars.
So, fuck you, too. |
for what its worth, i agree with every word you said. however, it makes me really angry that the oil companies continue to make record windfall profits. |
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| JKGroups |
Quote: Originally posted by DevilDog
Good or bad, it's necessary for our long term survival. But, as I said, no one wants to think about the long term. That's why so many fucking people are in debt because they live off their credit cards and don't save a dime of their paychecks because they HAVE to have that plasma TV, Playstations and 50 games, Cadillac Escalades, etc.
If people actually lived within their means, we wouldn't be in this predicament. Yet, when things get bad - like all those idiots who bought homes they couldn't afford - they expect a fucking bailout with MY tax dollars.
So, fuck you, too. |
Agree 100% |
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| Gaiking77 |
Quote: Originally posted by DevilDog
No, I'm a realist. |
In other words,when getting ass raped was inevitable,you just laid down and enjoyed right?
Get the fuck outta my country. |
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| Coop62 |
Wait a second you mean this all isn't bush's fault the global economy has something to do with it?
I tried sticking up with bush and i can handle alot but the way he act's towards people and while on tv piss's me off more than anything.
the global economy and the fact all these damn tree huggers have kept us from drilling oil in alaska and in the gulf and these newer more eco friendly engines that use more fuel by the way
and the fact weve not been putting up nuclear power plants like crazy is why we are in this damn mess. |
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| zanks |
| I'm a contractor and have went from putting in 40$ a day in gas to almost 75$ per day. Fucking ouch. I have went from a 6 day work week to working till dark 4 days a week just to save some cash. I can only imagine how it's hitting the FTE's. My heart goes out to anyone having to fill up once a day. |
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| Mr Zaremba |
Quote: Originally posted by SantosLHalper
go tell that to the 1000 or so jevic trucking company employees that lost their jobs when the company folded due to gas & insurance prices. |
Sowwy skippy.....twerent insurance this time....$ for $.....Commercial insurance has never been this inexpensive ... |
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| DevilDog |
Quote: Originally posted by Coop62
Wait a second you mean this all isn't bush's fault the global economy has something to do with it?
I tried sticking up with bush and i can handle alot but the way he act's towards people and while on tv piss's me off more than anything.
the global economy and the fact all these damn tree huggers have kept us from drilling oil in alaska and in the gulf and these newer more eco friendly engines that use more fuel by the way
and the fact weve not been putting up nuclear power plants like crazy is why we are in this damn mess. |
I will only agree with your last point. And that WILL happen. We don't have any choice. I consider myself a "green" person, but I realized a long time ago that nuke power was by far the best way to go. Over the next 20 years, you'll start seeing new plants finally being built.
And stop this bullshit argument that Bubba said verbatim today about Alaska. Just because fuel gets expensive doesn't give anyone the right to steamroll over environmentally sensitive areas. Again, that's fucking short-sighted behavior. And it once again just delays the inevitable! What do we do once that supply is diminished? I don't know about you, but I'm not in favor of ruining more resources, destroying more land and continuing heavily-polluting industries (oil drilling) that only helps us with more polluting and wasteful consumption (car and truck fuel).
We're already seeing people yelling and screaming that we need to do this and that in order to save jobs. I'm not discounting that's a horrible thing that a lot of people are losing jobs. It fucking sucks. I've been unemployed and BROKE twice! But I went out and got another job and saved our money. But, once again, what's happening now is a result of NO ONE looking ahead.
What if the trucking industry, instead of just going by the status quo 5 years ago said "Hey, we see danger in the future, let's take a look at how we can do things differently in case fuel prices rise. India and China are exploding in growth and drinking all our oil. How can we turn that into an opportunity." Well, I don't see many companies doing that. Instead, they protest for the government to go back to subsidizing a bad habit. |
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| SantosLHalper |
Quote: Originally posted by Mr Zaremba
Sowwy skippy.....twerent insurance this time....$ for $.....Commercial insurance has never been this inexpensive ... |
i prefer jif :D ..i was just paraphrasing the article. im pretty certain it was due to high fuel prices alone. |
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| WillowGlen |
Quote: Originally posted by DevilDog
What if the trucking industry, instead of just going by the status quo 5 years ago said "Hey, we see danger in the future, let's take a look at how we can do things differently in case fuel prices rise. India and China are exploding in growth and drinking all our oil. How can we turn that into an opportunity." Well, I don't see many companies doing that. Instead, they protest for the government to go back to subsidizing a bad habit. |
So what your saying is the entire trucking industry should have sat down and said. Wow, I'lll bet GWB and his Saudi friends who had secret meetings with Cheney and all the oil companies are planning to jack up the oil prices while continuing a war that will be much better "in another 6 months" (every six months) for 5 years straight in the last half of his last term. We should jump on the bandwagon and start overcharging our customers now so they wont notice it as much later. Kind of like the lobster in the pot that didnt notice the temp in the pot he thought was his swimming pool is slowly rising until it boils and kills him. Did you have to go to Wharton to get that kind of business acumen?
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| 1965markaccount |
| Supplies are not as bad as it would appear. There is still plenty of oil for the short term however steps are necessary for the future. Oil will not last forever and the alternatives are just as bleak. Nuclear power which has been mentioned in the thread is not even a long term possibility. I recently read that high grade uranium sources are declining even faster than oil. The answer probably lies in a new as yet untapped resource such as vastly improved solar technology or hydropower. Power generated from wave and tide action on the coast also comes to mind. Someone in the next generation will most likely come up with the solution so treat your kids well because they are the ones that are going to be taking care of your energy needs! |
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| Greengoblin |
Quote: Originally posted by 1965markaccount
Supplies are not as bad as it would appear. There is still plenty of oil for the short term however steps are necessary for the future. Oil will not last forever and the alternatives are just as bleak. Nuclear power which has been mentioned in the thread is not even a long term possibility. I recently read that high grade uranium sources are declining even faster than oil. The answer probably lies in a new as yet untapped resource such as vastly improved solar technology or hydropower. Power generated from wave and tide action on the coast also comes to mind. Someone in the next generation will most likely come up with the solution so treat your kids well because they are the ones that are going to be taking care of your energy needs! |
Wasn't this also the case in the 70's or early 80's?
Needing to break from Oil is NOTHING new. |
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| Loki47 |
| Tucker Carlson was right. theres nothing anyone can or will do about it. |
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| WillowGlen |
Quote: Originally posted by Loki47
Tucker Carlson was right. theres nothing anyone can or will do about it. |
The standard rallying cry/talking point from the party who has never done nothing about it but get rich. Its easier to pay PR firms and schills like Tucker to say things like "noone can fix it" than it is to do anything about it that might stop the money from rolling in. |
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| 1965markaccount |
Quote: Originally posted by Greengoblin
Wasn't this also the case in the 70's or early 80's?
Needing to break from Oil is NOTHING new. |
Actually in the 70's it was worse. I have yet to see any real shortages aside from right after Katrina and that had nothing to do with the amount of crude availble but rather a problem with refineries being shut down. Also when you adjust the dollar for inflation todays prices are not that much higher than what we were paying for gas in the 70's and early 80's. You are correct thought that the problem remains the same. Unless you or I can come up with a solution today (and I admit lack of ability) then we are still going to have to rely on the next generation to solve our energy issues. |
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| joeface |
| DevilDog, you're on the money. All the problems were facing and about to face are our own doing. We have had PLENTY of warning about this shit. We should have started getting away from oil as a primary fuel years and years and years ago. People just like to burry their head in the sand and hope the problem disapears or that 'someone' fixes it for them. Unfortunatly the vast majority will never do anything about any problem until it's right in their face. Personally, I hope oil prices go higher and higher until we have no choice but to change our primary fuel sources. |
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| jackandcoke68 |
| Bush is in the oil industry,when it's all said and done....the ASSHOLE BUSH will win!!!Why the fuck are we in this war??FOR OIL!!!! |
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| wearly1977 |
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| wearly1977 |
| Bush Leaves office in january and in 6 months the drop will be over 50 cents.. fuck that hoe |
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| MISANTHROPE |
| 1.36 a litre here in canada. you're no where near what we are paying. you have no reason to be bitching |
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| DevilDog |
Quote: Originally posted by MISANTHROPE
1.36 a litre here in canada. you're no where near what we are paying. you have no reason to be bitching |
That's the problem. As I said originally, our gas has been heavily subsidized for decades and while it helped the economy hum along, it was destined for disaster. You can't keep that up infinitely. |
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| WillowGlen |
Quote: Originally posted by MISANTHROPE
1.36 a litre here in canada. you're no where near what we are paying. you have no reason to be bitching |
Either build your own refineries or STFU. |
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| tedeso |
| you want to lower gas prices build 10 new refineries |
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| tedeso |
| gas is .12 cents a gallon in venezuela and 9.55 in the U.K. |
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| tedeso |
| maybe the high gas prices will be a blessing and get uninsured drivers, black racket mobiles and gallopies off the roads |
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| DevilDog |
Quote: Originally posted by tedeso
gas is .12 cents a gallon in venezuela and 9.55 in the U.K. |
Yes, because Venezuela is a producer and the UK is not. Whats' your point? Gas is virtually free in the major oil producing countries. |
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| Greengoblin |
Quote: Originally posted by DevilDog
Yes, because Venezuela is a producer and the UK is not. Whats' your point? Gas is virtually free in the major oil producing countries. |
Actually it's because Ven. is a member of OPEC and the UK is not.
Many countries produce Oil, I think being an OPEC member is the key to that |
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| tedeso |
Quote: Originally posted by DevilDog
Yes, because Venezuela is a producer and the UK is not. Whats' your point? Gas is virtually free in the major oil producing countries. |
My point is you can have all the crude oil you want but if you dont have enough refineries its like trying to drink a shake through a coffee stirrer/ strawn |
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| SantosLHalper |
| brents recent blog had good insight to this. the devaluation of the dollar.... |
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| Rogue Guy |
Quote: Originally posted by tedeso
My point is you can have all the crude oil you want but if you dont have enough refineries its like trying to drink a shake through a coffee stirrer/ strawn |
Big oil reported to Congress they were at 85% capacity at the current refineries. Still got 15% more before they're at capacity and warrant new refineries. ;) |
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| tedeso |
Quote: Originally posted by Rogue Guy
Big oil reported to Congress they were at 85% capacity at the current refineries. Still got 15% more before they're at capacity and warrant new refineries. ;) |
that my friend is called a WORK |
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| SDListener |
| Just drive a Ruckus like I do. |
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| So Hard Done By |
Everyone faces the same prices to fill up so the FTE's should be blaming their sales reps and their industry association that they haven't gotten price increases from their customers to fully reflect their increased costs.
When an industry can't adjust it's prices to reflect it's costs then that only means one thing - too much supply chasing too little demand. Don't blame anyone but yourself for making a bad career choice and going into an oversubscribed field.
Cheap oil/cheap transportation over the last 25 years was the lubricant that made it real easy to lose our manufacturing jobs to China. Long term manufacturing expertise is also your technological and innovation and military expertise, so to me that is the outrage that is under-discussed.
I'm optimistic that expensive transportation will mean a resurgence in local production. But regardless of if that happens or not, in any change there are winners and losers so to say that 'high oil is bad' is stupid. It's different, and it's bad for certain people, but out of it will emerge a whole bunch of different opportunities. |
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| tonguechow |
| In the long term, we need to find more sources of alternative fuels. In the short term, we need MORE oil companies drilling for MORE oil off our coasts, the Gulf of Mexico, up in Alaska, and all US territories. We need to build MORE oil refineries with MORE oil/gasoline pipelines between Texas and Oklahoma and the west coast. Only MORE supply and MORE competition between the oil companies are going to bring the prices down. While there's plenty of blame to go around the oil industry, don't forget to thank Congress and environmental groups for the high gasoline prices. And remember, everything you eat, wear, use, is brought to you by truck, train, boat, or airplane, so high gasoline prices hit you from all directions. And with our wonderful pool of presidential candidates, Obama, Clinton, and McCain haven't said ONE thing about increasing domestic oil production to bring the prices down! Isn't funny how we ask, no, demand that other countries increase their oil production, yet we don't do it here in the USA. :( |
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| hangman7 |
| FUCK YOU DEVIL DOG realiest bullshit |
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| idiotkiller |
Refining capacity can never be at 100% due to maintenance and changeovers (different grades of fuel, seasonal blends, etc.) as well as breakdowns and accidents. Also, this country not only imports crude oil, but finished fuels as well. So there is a capacity problem in this country, but don't worry - the Saudis and others are rushing to put up new refineries to make gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel for us.
Its an absolutely amazing display of hypocrisy that the loudest voices in government, NGO's, and media denouncing the runaway cost of energy are the same voices that oppose drilling in the US or streamlining approval for new refineries. In fact they go out of their way to mandate dozens of special fuel blends to make refining in this country as inefficient as possible.
If Bush is in the pocket of Big Oil, then they might want to consider better talent scouts. |
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| DalePie |
Quote: Originally posted by DevilDog
Good or bad, it's necessary for our long term survival. But, as I said, no one wants to think about the long term. That's why so many fucking people are in debt because they live off their credit cards and don't save a dime of their paychecks because they HAVE to have that plasma TV, Playstations and 50 games, Cadillac Escalades, etc.
If people actually lived within their means, we wouldn't be in this predicament. Yet, when things get bad - like all those idiots who bought homes they couldn't afford - they expect a fucking bailout with MY tax dollars.
So, fuck you, too. |
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| Gaiking77 |
Truth is,all these fucking gas prices are the product of speculation.
OPEC admitted last week that with the CURRENT SUPPLY AND DEMAND oil should not cost more than $70/barrel.
Americans are getting ripped off.
Regardless of your economic situation,the spike at the pump is not acceptable.
Somebody is getting insanely rich(Not in Euros,but in US Dollars),and the fucks in Washington know it,but they are bought and paid for by big oil.
When you fuck with the people like this,WE THE PEOPLE have a funny way to settle the score. |
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| idiotkiller |
Quote: Truth is,all these fucking gas prices are the product of speculation.
OPEC admitted last week that with the CURRENT SUPPLY AND DEMAND oil should not cost more than $70/barrel.
Americans are getting ripped off.
Regardless of your economic situation,the spike at the pump is not acceptable.
Somebody is getting insanely rich(Not in Euros,but in US Dollars),and the fucks in Washington know it,but they are bought and paid for by big oil.
When you fuck with the people like this,WE THE PEOPLE have a funny way to settle the score. |
You make no sense. First you blame speculators who are allegedly bidding up oil futures on the commodity markets. Then you blame "Big Oil". Food prices are skyrocketing too, is that the farmers' fault? You can only blame the producer if prices are rising and they withhold production (supply). So you go and settle your little score in November and see where that gets you. BTW, when did cheap gas become a political entitlement? |
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| DevilDog |
Quote: Originally posted by hangman7
FUCK YOU DEVIL DOG realiest bullshit |
Fuck yourself, asshole. Truth hurts, doesn't it? |
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| Gator_Russ |
Quote: Originally posted by DevilDog
Jesus fucking christ, people! GET OVER IT!!! We've been paying SUBSIDIZED prices for decades. Other countries have always paid way more than we have. The demand is MUCH greater around the world now - hence supply and demand. This is our new reality. Deal with it
These "reasons" Bubba gives, especially today, are fucking absurd. yeah, low-emission grade diesel does cost more. But, gee, Bubba, which air would you like to breathe and your kid? I'd say the stuff that emits a shitload LESS fine particles and other pollutants.
I'm so tired of hearing people who don't know SHIT about what's going on just make shit up. Our moron president isn't competent enough to affect prices. Hell, the Arabs just told him to fuck off last week when he went begging them to increase production!
I really hate it that our truckers are affected. but the simple fact is that our entire travel and freight infrastructure was built on subsidized commodities with NO PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE. Just like the short-sighted idiots who went out and bought gas-guzzling SUVs and whatnot. They didn't give a shit about what might happen down the road. They just did what they wanted to. Now that prices are where they SHOULD be, they want "someone" to do something. Well, how about this: STOP WASTING GAS AND OIL BY BEING A WASTEFUL, BLIND CONSUMER?
People in this country allllways want to blame someone else for their problems. Maybe it's time people started looking at how fucking wasteful they've been the past 30 years.
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And I'm sure you know exactly what's going on with gas prices, since you've laid it all out in your eloquent post.
Shut the fuck up asshole. Until you pay $1600 PER MONTH for my gasoline bill, you don't get to tell me to quit bitching. You pick up my bill for a month or two, then i'll change my stance. |
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| Gator_Russ |
Of course we brought this on ourselves. I don't think anyone's arguing that. HOW we brought it on ourselves is another story. We did it when we elected presidents who repelled Carter's plans for getting us off oil in the 70's. If we would've stuck with that plan by the early 90's at the LATEST, we would've been oil independent.
We're not in a position right now to get off oil. But if we make some drastic changes right now, we can lessen the time to get everyone off of it.
-Make ethanol from switchgrass (Corn is the LAST thing we need to make it from, this just gives out more subsidies)
-Upgrade our energy infrastructure (Bill Richardson, energy secretary under Clinton has called our current one "Third World".)
-Build new refineries
-Drill in the Gulf for oil
-Start on more fuel efficient commercial engines (Transportation uses up the majority of our oil daily.)
-Start making a real effort to get onto renewable technologies
The Southwest of this nation is what? A GIGANTIC FUCKING DESERT. You're telling me we can't put enough solar panels there to power that region? We can't put wind power in the Great Plains states? We can, but everyone's dragging their fucking feet. If we stopped spending all of our cash on a bullshit war, just giving everything to private contractors, we could invest that money into a SERIOUS Green Energy Infrastructure.
It just pisses me off to no end that Truckers and O/O and Independent Contractors... they've all been saying for the last 5 years "Hey. We need to do something about this oil situation. We need to get started on alternatives." Now that you fuckheads are complaining because its 100 bucks to fill up the suburban twice a week, its a nuisance and NOW its something that we need to address. Well I've got no remorse for you assholes. You made the choice to buy that land yacht, Choke on its exhaust.
Here's another little added bonus. When we become energy independent... we can get the hell out of the Middle East. The only reason we're there is to ensure that the flow of oil doesn't stop to us. If it did, we'd be fucked. |
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| idiotkiller |
| Quote: Of course we brought this on ourselves. I don't think anyone's arguing that. HOW we brought it on ourselves is another story. We did it when we elected presidents who repelled Carter's plans for getting us off oil in the 70's. If we would've stuck with that plan by the early 90's at the LATEST, we would've been oil independent. |
Carter couldn't get our hostages out of Iran, let alone our country off oil. We, and the rest of the world will be "on oil" for the rest of the century even if we start to implement alternate energy sources. All you morons (including Brent) who think that we can just get off oil within a few Presidential terms are woefully ignorant of the size and scale of our nation's installed energy infrastructure devoted to oil. We're still on coal for fuck's sake! And please stick the ethanol ideas back up your asses where they belong. At least until you can come up with a version that offers more energy than went into making it . . . and without subsidies.
Quote: -Make ethanol from switchgrass (Corn is the LAST thing we need to make it from, this just gives out more subsidies)
-Upgrade our energy infrastructure (Bill Richardson, energy secretary under Clinton has called our current one "Third World".)
-Build new refineries
-Drill in the Gulf for oil
-Start on more fuel efficient commercial engines (Transportation uses up the majority of our oil daily.)
-Start making a real effort to get onto renewable technologies |
Bill Richardson is an incompetent fool who was out-negotiated by the North Koreans when Clinton sent him to stop their nuclear weapons program in the early 90's. Then he bungled the Wen Ho Lee espionage scandal at one of our country's top weapons labs. Hmm, and while we are at it, why didn't Clinton do something about this "Third World" infrastructure during his 2 terms in office instead of porking the help?
Yes we need more refineries and drilling, but we're already in the Gulf and drilling at record depths. We need to drill in Alaska, in the Arctic Ocean and off both coasts where we are prohibited from drilling.
You are dead on with the comment about commercial engines - the US auto companies are an embarrassment when it comes to engine technology, but the European owned truck companies are no better . . . at least what they offer in our market.
Solar and wind are bullshit . . . a perfect example of how pandering to environmentalists can skew and distort sensible energy policy. Everyone knows that nuclear energy is the answer now and fusion in the long term. If you want to see a solid and coherent policy on electricity generation look to France.
| Quote: It just pisses me off to no end that Truckers and O/O and Independent Contractors... they've all been saying for the last 5 years "Hey. We need to do something about this oil situation. We need to get started on alternatives." Now that you fuckheads are complaining because its 100 bucks to fill up the suburban twice a week, its a nuisance and NOW its something that we need to address. Well I've got no remorse for you assholes. You made the choice to buy that land yacht, Choke on its exhaust. |
Look you're no different than anyone else. If you can't pass along the higher operating costs then give up or shut up. Its up to everyone to decide if the vehicles they have are worth it given the higher prices. Some people have SUV's because they have large families and they are safer than minivans. No one is wishing high fuel costs on you so why the fucking hate on other motorists? People are rapidly changing their SUV's and pick-ups if they don't need them. Go to Autoblog online and look at the change in vehicle sales for May. Ford's F-150 was the top selling vehicle in the US for DECADES. In May (over the course of a month) it fell to 5th spot! GM is shutting down 4 SUV plants and implementing extra shifts for car production, ditto Ford.
| Quote: Here's another little added bonus. When we become energy independent... we can get the hell out of the Middle East. The only reason we're there is to ensure that the flow of oil doesn't stop to us. If it did, we'd be fucked. |
I can't argue with you here. Fuck I wish we didn't have to set foot in that shit hole ever again. However, that won't happen for decades even if we work to reduce our independence with break neck speed. Even then, as we reduce our oil consumption and, hopefully, increase our oil production, the price of oil on the world market will drop thus encouraging consumption by other countries. So if there is a future economic oil shock to the global economy caused by turmoil in the Middle East we'll still feel it! The value (and therefore price) of our oil will rise and other countries will be less able to buy our exports of agricultural and manufactured goods. Although, at least our troops won't have to deal with those fucking nutters. But who knows, its not like they're above coming here and starting shit. |
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| Gator_Russ |
Quote: Originally posted by idiotkiller
Carter couldn't get our hostages out of Iran, let alone our country off oil. We, and the rest of the world will be "on oil" for the rest of the century even if we start to implement alternate energy sources. All you morons (including Brent) who think that we can just get off oil within a few Presidential terms are woefully ignorant of the size and scale of our nation's installed energy infrastructure devoted to oil. We're still on coal for fuck's sake! And please stick the ethanol ideas back up your asses where they belong. At least until you can come up with a version that offers more energy than went into making it . . . and without subsidies.
Bill Richardson is an incompetent fool who was out-negotiated by the North Koreans when Clinton sent him to stop their nuclear weapons program in the early 90's. Then he bungled the Wen Ho Lee espionage scandal at one of our country's top weapons labs. Hmm, and while we are at it, why didn't Clinton do something about this "Third World" infrastructure during his 2 terms in office instead of porking the help?
Yes we need more refineries and drilling, but we're already in the Gulf and drilling at record depths. We need to drill in Alaska, in the Arctic Ocean and off both coasts where we are prohibited from drilling.
You are dead on with the comment about commercial engines - the US auto companies are an embarrassment when it comes to engine technology, but the European owned truck companies are no better . . . at least what they offer in our market.
Solar and wind are bullshit . . . a perfect example of how pandering to environmentalists can skew and distort sensible energy policy. Everyone knows that nuclear energy is the answer now and fusion in the long term. If you want to see a solid and coherent policy on electricity generation look to France.
Look you're no different than anyone else. If you can't pass along the higher operating costs then give up or shut up. Its up to everyone to decide if the vehicles they have are worth it given the higher prices. Some people have SUV's because they have large families and they are safer than minivans. No one is wishing high fuel costs on you so why the fucking hate on other motorists? People are rapidly changing their SUV's and pick-ups if they don't need them. Go to Autoblog online and look at the change in vehicle sales for May. Ford's F-150 was the top selling vehicle in the US for DECADES. In May (over the course of a month) it fell to 5th spot! GM is shutting down 4 SUV plants and implementing extra shifts for car production, ditto Ford.
I can't argue with you here. Fuck I wish we didn't have to set foot in that shit hole ever again. However, that won't happen for decades even if we work to reduce our independence with break neck speed. Even then, as we reduce our oil consumption and, hopefully, increase our oil production, the price of oil on the world market will drop thus encouraging consumption by other countries. So if there is a future economic oil shock to the global economy caused by turmoil in the Middle East we'll still feel it! The value (and therefore price) of our oil will rise and other countries will be less able to buy our exports of agricultural and manufactured goods. Although, at least our troops won't have to deal with those fucking nutters. But who knows, its not like they're above coming here and starting shit. |
I can see that we agree on some and disagree on other points, even if you are a little stiff in some of yours. We can no longer afford to power the transporation industry in this country with Oil. It is our main problem right now, and I think we can ALL agree to that. I think my original point was misleading too. There's no way we can get totaly off oil, you're right. I meant to refer to our energy independence and how we could attain that.
If we make some serious fucking efforts, we can kick this oil dependence thats kept us in the middle east for so long. Do we need to get off oil? Of course. Its a finite resource, its fucking up the planet, yadda yadda ya. First though, we need to become energy independent. We can do that through a combination of renewable technologies for powering the country electricaly (Solar, Wind, Geothermal, Hydroelectric Dams), upgraded energy infrastructure so we don't WASTE so much energy, and providing alternatives for powering our automobiles.
We got in this situation, we can get out. Its not going to be from ethanol alone, you're right. But there's no alternative to gasoline right now, aside from diesel. If we made biodiesel, ethanol, and electric cars more readily available our oil usage would drop EXPONENTIALY. |
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| idiotkiller |
| OK, fair enough. I get stiff because people seem to believe that a vote for either of the two parties this November is somehow going to fix this and, I'm sorry, its not. Also, I have an SUV because our minivan, with my wife and one of our sons in it, got smashed from behind by a drunk fuck in a pickup truck and I vowed I'd put my family in tank if I had to. There are too many shitheads loose. |
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