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| John Titor |
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| Rike |
| I think this is a good approach for the democrats. |
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| jetdog |
Quote: Originally posted by Rike
I think this is a good approach for the democrats. |
I knew nothing about this when I read it, I doubt they will make an issue of it, but just like every other candidate, he needs to release all of his military records. The guy sure had problems keeping planes in the air. |
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| jetdog |
Quote: Originally posted by John Titor
:spam: :banplz: |
You are a tiresome jerkoff. Don't you have some minority children to abuse and throw rocks at? |
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| John Titor |
Quote: Originally posted by jetdog
You are a tiresome jerkoff. Don't you have some minority children to abuse and throw rocks at? |
go back under your mult rock , ya fucking prick ya ! |
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| jetdog |
| This is now front paged on Huffington Post, should be be interesting if McCain is questioned about it, bring on the town halls! |
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| BarkonCue |
He's played the maverick, and it's been shown to be a lie. He's played a straight-talker and that's been shown to be a lie. He's played a centrist and that's been shown to be a lie.
Why should we accept his self-designation as a war hero?
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| ArivacaCharlie |
McCain may not even survive the general campaign. He looks tired and beaten already. His voice is weak and unsteady, his eyes are glassy.
He is a beaten old man trying valiantly to hold on to a bit of relevance.
By November, he'll have to be taken to the polling booth in a wheelchair and someone will have to lift his hand to pull the lever.
Sad that this broken down old pilot is the best that the GOP can produce anymore. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
nice ..so now dems are gonna do to mccain what repubs did to kerry
so the cycle repeats... |
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| Jack Shit |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
nice ..so now dems are gonna do to mccain what repubs did to kerry
so the cycle repeats... |
What goes around comes around. Karma is a bitch. :yesshake: |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Jack Shit
What goes around comes around. Karma is a bitch. :yesshake: |
RIGHT AND THEN IT HAPPENS TO THE DEMS NEXT TIME AROUND AND NEVER STOPS. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KARMA, ITS REVENGE. 1 PROBLEM..OBAMA HAS NEVER SERVED SO ITS A WEAK ARGUMENT
LETS KEEP IT CHILDISH I GUESS |
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| BarkonCue |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
nice ..so now dems are gonna do to mccain what repubs did to kerry
so the cycle repeats... |
I'm prepared to question everything about McCain. I want to see John McCain Smashed by his own message. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by BarkonCue
I'm prepared to question everything about McCain. I want to see John McCain Smashed by his own message. |
BUT OBAMA HAS NO SERVICE RECORD SO ITS DUMB FOR HIS SIDE TO QUESTION MCCAINS WHEN HE HAS ZERO
AGAIN IT WILL NOT BE OBAMA WHO LOSES THE ELECTION. IT WILL BE HIS SUPPORTERS THAT TURN PEOPLE OFF TO HIM BY THEIR CHILDISH RANTS. |
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| JTProcess |
you can't blame "the dems" for this... it's the press.
Just like you can't blame the RNC for bringing up Rev. Wright... it was bound to happen... the press digs this shit up...
Now the commercials the RNC ran using Rev. Wright... you can blame on them... as soon as I see the DNC running ads that say "McCain is not really a war hero" you'll be correct...
until then you're still delusional. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by JTProcess
you can't blame "the dems" for this... it's the press.
Just like you can't blame the RNC for bringing up Rev. Wright... it was bound to happen... the press digs this shit up...
Now the commercials the RNC ran using Rev. Wright... you can blame on them... as soon as I see the DNC running ads that say "McCain is not really a war hero" you'll be correct...
until then you're still delusional. |
YES IT IS NOT OBAMA ITS THE PRESS AND THATS WHO WILL LOSE IT FOR OBAMA. BLOGGERS LIKE THIS AND WAIT TIL HOLLYWOOD STARTS CHIMING IN |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
nice ..so now dems are gonna do to mccain what repubs did to kerry
so the cycle repeats... |
YOU LIVE BY THE SWORD, YOU DIE BY THE SWORD. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
YOU LIVE BY THE SWORD, YOU DIE BY THE SWORD. |
THEN DON'T CRY WHEN IT HAPPENS NEXT CYCLE TO YOUR GUY/GAL BUT IT WILL HURT OBAMA NOT HELP HIM AND IT WILL HELP MCCAIN BECAUSE DEFENDERS COME OUT OF THE WOOD WORK.
REMEMBER OBAMA NEVER SERVED AND HE NEVER VOTED FOR/AGAINST THE WAR. ALSO IF OABAMAS PEOPLE GO AFTER HIS AGE BEING OLD THEN OLD PEOPLE WILL DEFEND MCCAIN WITH A VOTE AND OBAMA WILL BECOME AN AGEIST |
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| DUDE-HERE |
| THATS WHY THINGS WILL NEVER CHANGE BECAUSE BOTH PARTIES ARE CHILDISH AND ACT LIKE KIDS AND NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE AND WILL ONLY GET WORSE. |
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| BarkonCue |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
BUT OBAMA HAS NO SERVICE RECORD SO ITS DUMB FOR HIS SIDE TO QUESTION MCCAINS WHEN HE HAS ZERO
AGAIN IT WILL NOT BE OBAMA WHO LOSES THE ELECTION. IT WILL BE HIS SUPPORTERS THAT TURN PEOPLE OFF TO HIM BY THEIR CHILDISH RANTS. |
Yes, wrap yourself in the flag and all will be well. |
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| thoroldjames |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
YOU LIVE BY THE SWORD, YOU DIE BY THE SWORD. |
I thought the "Old Politics" were dead-were bad for America
This was all about "Change"? |
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| BarkonCue |
Quote: Originally posted by thoroldjames
I thought the "Old Politics" were dead-were bad for America
This was all about "Change"? |
:D |
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| jrb2395 |
I am not backing McCain and do not think that anyone should attack his military record.
He served and that means he did more then most people and we should jsut leave it at that. |
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| SaintJimmy |
Quote: Originally posted by jrb2395
I am not backing McCain and do not think that anyone should attack his military record.
He served and that means he did more then most people and we should jsut leave it at that. |
You're right - we should focus on the fact that he has an illegitimate black daughter. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by thoroldjames
I thought the "Old Politics" were dead-were bad for America
This was all about "Change"? |
CHANGE is Obama's slogan. It's not him recirculating the negatives, it's the press.
Obama keeps himself wisely above the fray. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
THEN DON'T CRY WHEN IT HAPPENS NEXT CYCLE TO YOUR GUY/GAL BUT IT WILL HURT OBAMA NOT HELP HIM AND IT WILL HELP MCCAIN BECAUSE DEFENDERS COME OUT OF THE WOOD WORK.
REMEMBER OBAMA NEVER SERVED AND HE NEVER VOTED FOR/AGAINST THE WAR. ALSO IF OABAMAS PEOPLE GO AFTER HIS AGE BEING OLD THEN OLD PEOPLE WILL DEFEND MCCAIN WITH A VOTE AND OBAMA WILL BECOME AN AGEIST |
I won't cry, nor did I when it happened to Kerry.
It's politics in America and, if a candidate can't successfully win a battle over bullshit, he probably shouldn't be President.
I don't see this hurting Obama actually. People are beginning to see McCain for the nitwit that he is. Even those who aren't entirely aligned with Obama may hold their nose and vote for him once they meet the real John McCain. |
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| BarkonCue |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
I won't cry, nor did I when it happened to Kerry.
It's politics in America and, if a candidate can't successfully win a battle over bullshit, he probably shouldn't be President.
I don't see this hurting Obama actually. People are beginning to see McCain for the nitwit that he is. Even those who aren't entirely aligned with Obama may hold their nose and vote for him once they meet the real John McCain. |
He's old for his age. I won't be at all surprised if his 'disability' becomes more apparent to all in the coming months. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
I won't cry, nor did I when it happened to Kerry.
It's politics in America and, if a candidate can't successfully win a battle over bullshit, he probably shouldn't be President.
I don't see this hurting Obama actually. People are beginning to see McCain for the nitwit that he is. Even those who aren't entirely aligned with Obama may hold their nose and vote for him once they meet the real John McCain. |
thats the way you see it but you come froma diff thought process then people who are on the fence about obama. to you if your not for obama then your a dummy. so how can you have a a sensable idea of what the american people want. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by BarkonCue
He's old for his age. I won't be at all surprised if his 'disability' becomes more apparent to all in the coming months. |
well thats a good reason to attack him
lol
then his retort i maybe old but i have experiance where as obama is young has no experiance and never ever served in the military...
yea those are good reasons to pund mccain..oh goodness how will he retort |
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| jtheweirdo |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
nice ..so now dems are gonna do to mccain what repubs did to kerry
so the cycle repeats... |
Bush's people did it to McCain first in 2000 primary race. It was kept very local though, in certain states so it didn't get much national coverage at the time. |
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| BarkonCue |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
well thats a good reason to attack him
lol
then his retort i maybe old but i have experiance where as obama is young has no experiance and never ever served in the military...
yea those are good reasons to pund mccain..oh goodness how will he retort |
Unless he falls off the podium like Bob Dole did... |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
thats the way you see it but you come froma diff thought process then people who are on the fence about obama. to you if your not for obama then your a dummy. so how can you have a a sensable idea of what the american people want. |
Maybe I've become a born again elitist.
I don't have enough faith in the American people to give a shit about "what they want."
I'm telling them "what they need."
And, yes, if they don't realize it, they are, indeed, dummies. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by BarkonCue
Unless he falls off the podium like Bob Dole did... |
Goddamn that was funny. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
Maybe I've become a born again elitist.
I don't have enough faith in the American people to give a shit about "what they want."
I'm telling them "what they need."
And, yes, if they don't realize it, they are, indeed, dummies. |
so your gonna insult them into voting for your guy
HA |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
so your gonna insult them into voting for your guy
HA |
THEY'RE GONNA VOTE FOR WHOMEVER THEY'RE GONNA VOTE FOR.
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The American voter can begin redemption by voting for Obama or sink the Nation by voting for McCain. The choice is theirs and the choice is that obvious.
Anything I say on this board will not change anybody's mind.
So, come November, we will begin a National rebuilding or we can kiss America good-by and chalk this whole thing up to a social experiment that, ultimately, failed. |
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| BarkonCue |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
THEY'RE GONNA VOTE FOR WHOMEVER THEY'RE GONNA VOTE FOR.
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The American voter can begin redemption by voting for Obama or sink the Nation by voting for McCain. The choice is theirs and the choice is that obvious.
Anything I say on this board will not change anybody's mind.
So, come November, we will begin a National rebuilding or we can kiss America good-by and chalk this whole thing up to a social experiment that, ultimately, failed. |
I could not agree with you more. Very well stated. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
THEY'RE GONNA VOTE FOR WHOMEVER THEY'RE GONNA VOTE FOR.
(oops! cap locks were on)
The American voter can begin redemption by voting for Obama or sink the Nation by voting for McCain. The choice is theirs and the choice is that obvious.
Anything I say on this board will not change anybody's mind.
So, come November, we will begin a National rebuilding or we can kiss America good-by and chalk this whole thing up to a social experiment that, ultimately, failed. |
REALLY ..THEN WHY ARE THEY SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY ON ADS IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA VOTE FOR WHO THEY ARE GONNA VOTE FOR
BUT IN YOUR MIND THIS IS THE WAY THINGS ARE NOT IN OTHERS.
YOU ARE A NAGATIVE NANCY. WHY NOT TRY AND CONVINCE PEOPLE WITH A POSITIVE MESSAGE. WHY SINK TO THEIR LEVEL
I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW OBAMA IS GONNA LOSE BECAUSE THESE TACTICS WILL NOT WORK
IF YOU VOTE MCCAIN YOUR A DUMMY. THE PERSON WILL DO EXACTLY THAT IN ORDER TO DEFEND THEMSELVES NOT MCCAIN
OBAMA WILL LOSE |
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| sternowitz |
| McCain is running on his military record, so I think it is fair game as long as his opponents go after the facts and don't pepper in bullshit. The thing about being in the last 1% of his class is OK, but I don't think calling him the manchurian candidate is fair. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by sternowitz
McCain is running on his military record, so I think it is fair game as long as his opponents go after the facts and don't pepper in bullshit. The thing about being in the last 1% of his class is OK, but I don't think calling him the manchurian candidate is fair. |
BUT WOULDN'T ATTACKING HIS RECORD MAKE IT FAIR GAME FOR MCCAINS GUYS TO SAY ..AT LEAST HE HAS A RECORD
I THINK ITS A LOSING ARGUMENT FOR OBAMA |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
REALLY ..THEN WHY ARE THEY SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY ON ADS IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA VOTE FOR WHO THEY ARE GONNA VOTE FOR
BUT IN YOUR MIND THIS IS THE WAY THINGS ARE NOT IN OTHERS.
YOU ARE A NAGATIVE NANCY. WHY NOT TRY AND CONVINCE PEOPLE WITH A POSITIVE MESSAGE. WHY SINK TO THEIR LEVEL
I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW OBAMA IS GONNA LOSE BECAUSE THESE TACTICS WILL NOT WORK
IF YOU VOTE MCCAIN YOUR A DUMMY. THE PERSON WILL DO EXACTLY THAT IN ORDER TO DEFEND THEMSELVES NOT MCCAIN
OBAMA WILL LOSE |
A "negative Nancy?"
LOL....okay.
If Americans are stupid enough to vote for McCain because I'm holding the mirror up and showing them their own stupidity, they fuckin' deserve what they get.
But, between us, I sure don't want you to think I'm a "negative Nancy" so I'll just keep telling everybody that things are fine, the economy is great, America is as strong and proud as ever, etc etc.
But, secretly, we both know the truth. ;) |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by sternowitz
McCain is running on his military record, so I think it is fair game as long as his opponents go after the facts and don't pepper in bullshit. The thing about being in the last 1% of his class is OK, but I don't think calling him the manchurian candidate is fair. |
He was such a great pilot and fighter that he became a POW.
He can't fly, fight or govern.
He's a three way loser, at best. |
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| Billyfromsphily |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
He was such a great pilot and fighter that he became a POW.
He can't fly, fight or govern.
He's a three way loser, at best. |
BUT CHARLIE........
HE sure can PARTY!!! |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by Billyfromsphily
BUT CHARLIE........
HE sure can PARTY!!! |
Yeah, I know.
I can feel the mean spirits rising up within me when I discuss McCain.
Honestly, he fought. He's a legitimate Hero.....just not a very skilled hero. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
A "negative Nancy?"
LOL....okay.
If Americans are stupid enough to vote for McCain because I'm holding the mirror up and showing them their own stupidity, they fuckin' deserve what they get.
But, between us, I sure don't want you to think I'm a "negative Nancy" so I'll just keep telling everybody that things are fine, the economy is great, America is as strong and proud as ever, etc etc.
But, secretly, we both know the truth. ;) |
and you will get what you get john mccain for president. i don't think dems know how to fashion an argument anymore it seems. the econ goes up and the econ goes down. gas prices are high and will get higher and in the end our air will be cleaner. higher prices means less traffic and maybe would help the so-called global warming to a slower pace |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
and you will get what you get john mccain for president. i don't think dems know how to fashion an argument anymore it seems. the econ goes up and the econ goes down. gas prices are high and will get higher and in the end our air will be cleaner. higher prices means less traffic and maybe would help the so-called global warming to a slower pace |
America will not survive a McCain Presidency unless he steers radically left of Bush but he has not shown any signs of doing that.
If anyone is stupid enough to vote for McCain as a "fuck you" to me, this Country is beyond any hope whatsoever. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
America will not survive a McCain Presidency unless he steers radically left of Bush but he has not shown any signs of doing that.
If anyone is stupid enough to vote for McCain as a "fuck you" to me, this Country is beyond any hope whatsoever. |
bullshit ..america will always survive. people said that when reagan, bush, and bush 2nd time was in office and look we are still here. people really don't believe that argument
and there you go again insulting people who disagree with you
argumentation is dead in this country
haven't you ever heard ofthe win win ...you are into lose lose |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
bullshit ..america will always survive. people said that when reagan, bush, and bush 2nd time was in office and look we are still here. people really don't believe that argument
and there you go again insulting people who disagree with you
argumentation is dead in this country
haven't you ever heard ofthe win win ...you are into lose lose |
America has not been at such a low point ever in my lifetime.
Our domestic policies cause more problems every hour. Our foreign policies have changed us from a global leader to a global joke.
I am absolutely about winning. That is why I support Obama.
That is our choice: OBAMA or failure. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
argumentation is dead in this country |
Well, it may be dead in this forum but, so what?
My guess is no opinion has ever been changed in here nor will it ever happen.
When an idea or opinion is given here (no matter whether from the Left or the Right), the response is negative.
We've all been guilty of it here. It is part of the SFN culture. |
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| its-just-a-ride |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
I am absolutely about winning. That is why I support Obama.
That is our choice: OBAMA or failure. |
Thats also why even Rupert Murdoch is supporting Obama. He likes supporting winners. |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
Well, it may be dead in this forum but, so what?
My guess is no opinion has ever been changed in here nor will it ever happen.
When an idea or opinion is given here (no matter whether from the Left or the Right), the response is negative.
We've all been guilty of it here. It is part of the SFN culture. |
no its dead everywhere. people really don't wanna discuss issues and solve problems. what they want is this " take my solution or i will shove it up your ass "
great |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by its-just-a-ride
Thats also why Rupert Murdoch is supporting Obama. He likes supporting winners. |
no, he is making sure obama has money in order to make it a closer race because ratings go through the roof |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
America has not been at such a low point ever in my lifetime.
Our domestic policies cause more problems every hour. Our foreign policies have changed us from a global leader to a global joke.
I am absolutely about winning. That is why I support Obama.
That is our choice: OBAMA or failure. |
so what ? all countries go through this
i can't remember ever a time when anything was ever perfect..we have been sliding my entire lifetime as we become softer as a people. who cares what the people say about us. as you say people are fucking dumb asses so why would i care what 3rd world asswipes say or europe for that matter. didn't your mommy ever teach don't worry about what others say about you. we need oil so we are getting it. thats why we are in iraq
you should love the high prices of oil because people are now changing their car buying habbits. in al gores book life in the balance he said gas prices need to be higher in order to change our habbits. global warming is caused by cars according to scientists. cars are the biggest causes at least for asthma i n children. high prices at the pump are good for the environment |
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| Greengoblin |
Quote: Originally posted by its-just-a-ride
Thats also why Rupert Murdoch is supporting Obama. He likes supporting winners. |
He owns FOX, doesn't he?
So does that mean FOX will be Left-leaning if he's elected? |
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| its-just-a-ride |
Quote: Originally posted by Greengoblin
He owns FOX, doesn't he?
So does that mean FOX will be Left-leaning if he's elected? |
I've heard a lot of people asking that.
Don't know, but Murdoch did switch his support to Tony Blair (from the tories) when he was trying to become PM 10 years ago and has stuck with him ever since. This shows a precedent for Murdoch going with the winner. |
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| zimmie |
| I think it's a great idea for Obama supporters to question McCain's service record.......that and calling everyone a racist for not wanting to vote for him is a great strategy for them.... |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
I think it's a great idea for Obama supporters to question McCain's service record.......that and calling everyone a racist for not wanting to vote for him is a great strategy for them.... |
agreed
your sarcasm is correct |
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| its-just-a-ride |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
I think it's a great idea for Obama supporters to question McCain's service record.......that and calling everyone a racist for not wanting to vote for him is a great strategy for them.... |
McCain's biggest percieved strength is his military history is it not? Its surprising that they're going after it but if it is exagerrated then people should know.
The other thing is McCain's people brought this on themselves due to this ridiculous "i turned down becoming an admiral so i could become a politician" bullshit story. Its bullshit and everyone knows it - the NY Times story is contradicted by McCain's own biography.
If he's gonna start lying at this point about shit like that he deserves some kind of smack down. |
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| jetdog |
Quote: Originally posted by its-just-a-ride
McCain's biggest percieved strength is his military history is it not? Its surprising that they're going after it but if it is exagerrated then people should know.
The other thing is McCain's people brought this on themselves due to this ridiculous "i turned down becoming an admiral so i could become a politician" bullshit story. Its bullshit and everyone knows it - the NY Times story is contradicted by McCain's own biography.
If he's gonna start lying at this point about shit like that he deserves some kind of smack down. |
No way he would have turned down being an Admiral, up until the point he ran for office he was career military. The whole thing stinks. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by zimmie
I think it's a great idea for Obama supporters to question McCain's service record.......that and calling everyone a racist for not wanting to vote for him is a great strategy for them.... |
I'm not calling anybody racist for voting for McCain.
I'm calling them complete fucking idiots who deserve being carried to hell in a handbasket by that stupid fucking nitwit.
But that's just me. Obama is definitely more of a gentleman than I am. |
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| fastfingersfunk |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
America has not been at such a low point ever in my lifetime.
Our domestic policies cause more problems every hour. Our foreign policies have changed us from a global leader to a global joke.
I am absolutely about winning. That is why I support Obama.
That is our choice: OBAMA or failure. |
of course we don't know what obama's foreign policies actually are yet because he changes them on the fly. but good luck with that. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
of course we don't know what obama's foreign policies actually are yet because he changes them on the fly. but good luck with that. |
Or he's adjusted them as information is gained?
Either way, I'm not gonna argue that point. If you want to know Obama's specific ideas, go to his website. It's all there.
But, we DO know what McCain's foreign policies are: the same failing policies of GWB.
We can't survive more of the same.
Even if Obama is a total unknown like the Right is hoping to paint him, that is still better than a KNOWN loser like McCain. |
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| its-just-a-ride |
Don't get me wrong Obama is without a doubt the better candidate but his policy on the Middle East is his major issue for me... he just isn't proving exactly how he'd do things that much differently. Not only that he is pandering to Israel and using more confrontational language regarding Iran. Its just sad to see him capitulating at this point...
Saying this, he is still miles ahead of McCain in terms of credibility. (i don't have to agree with everything he does do i?)
Obama / Clark '08! :D |
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| Bist Meshugeh |
I herd he was AWOL for like 5 years hanging out at a Hilton Hotel no less.
I bet he is Paris's baby daddy. |
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