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| booybob |
This rumor would be easy to quash, all he has to do is produce his original birth certificate or request a copy from Hawaii. Are the conspiracy wackos making this up or could it be true?
Please produce an original birth certificate and end this distraction Mr Obama.
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articl...itics/12939.htm
Unstamped certificate suggests Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
Embossed seal of the State of Hawaii absent from the purported "birth certificate" of Barack Obama
Unstamped certificate suggests Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
By Reuven Koret June 24, 2008
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The "birth certificate" claimed by the Barack Obama campaign is not certified as authentic and appears to be a photoshopped fake.
The image, purporting to come from the Hawaii Department of Health, has been the subject of intense skepticism in the blogosphere in the past two weeks. But now the senior spokesman of that Department has confirmed to Israel Insider what are the required features of a certified birth document -- features that Obama's purported "birth certificate" clearly lack.
The image became increasingly suspect with Israel Insider's revelation that variations of the certificate image were posted on the Photobucket image aggregation website -- including one listing the location of Obama's birth as Antarctica, one with the certificate supposedly issued by the government of North Korea, and another including a purported photo of baby Barack -- one of which has a "photo taken" time-stamp just two minutes before the article and accompanying image was posted on the left-wing Daily Kos blog.
That strongly suggests that Daily Kos obtained the image from Photobucket, not the State of Hawaii, the Obama family, or the Obama campaign. Photobucket is not generally known as a credible supplier of official vital records for any of the fifty states, and the liberties that other Photoshoppers took with the certificates confirms this.
Some of these oddities surfaced in Israel Insider's previous article on the subject, but new comparative documentary evidence presented below, and official verification obtained by Israel Insider from a senior Hawaiian official, provides the strongest confirmation yet.
An authentic Hawaiian birth certificate for another Hawaiian individual has since surfaced which, using the same official form as the presumptive Obama certificate, includes an embossed official seal and an authoritative signature, coming through from the back. Obama's alleged certificate lacks those features, and the certificate number referencing the birth year has been blacked out, making it untraceable.
Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."
Compare the top image presented by his campaign as evidence of Obama's 1961 birth and the other certifying the birth of one Patricia Decosta.
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So if he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama -- because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a "Certification of Live Birth" -- must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy. It is not valid.
Whereas the uncertified Obama document provides the date "filed by registrar", the certified DeCosta document provides the date "accepted by the registrar." The difference between filing an application for a Certification of Live Birth and having it accepted may be key here.
The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature.
The failure of the Obama campaign to do so, and its willingness instead to put up an invalid, uncertified image -- what now appears to be a crude forgery -- raises the dramatic question of why the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate might have to hide.
Until now, it has been thought that there might be some embarrassing information on the real certificate: was the candidate's name something other than Barack Hussein Obama II, as it is claimed? Was no father listed because of the uncertainty over Obama's paternity? Was his father's race listed as Arab, or Muslim, rather than African? These revelations might be embarrassing, and further undermine his credibility, but he could disavow and downplay their significance. Would revealing such embarrassment outweigh the far greater risks involved in perpetuating a palpable forgery, or passing off an uncertified official document as being certified?
There is one possibility, however, which alone might justify the risk that Obama and his campaign seems to be taking in putting forward the uncertified document image: Obama was not in fact born in Hawaii and may not be an American citizen at all, or at least not a "natural born citizen" as the Constitution defines the requirement for the nation's chief executive. Real original birth certificates, circa 1961, have all kinds of verifiable information that would confirm Obama's origins, or throw them into doubt should they be lacking.
Research has since uncovered the law, in force at the time of Obama's birth, that were he to have been born in another country, his young American mother's youth extended time abroad would not suffice to make him a "natural born citizen." Even if he were naturalized later -- and there is no evidence that he was -- he would not be eligible to run for the office of president and -- if forgery or misrepresentation were involved -- he and his staffers might find themselves facing stiff federal and state charges.
But if, at this late date, Obama has no proof of being a US citizen by law, natural born or otherwise, then he or his advisers may be tempted to try to "tough out" the allegations about his "birth certificate" or the lack thereof. He and his campaign have gotten through other embarrassments: maybe this one will go away, too.
Because the consequences were he to admit, or should it come out, that he was not born in Hawaii would be so grave as to make it tempting to take the gamble and hope that no one dares call his most audacious bluff by demanding proof. Talk about the audacity of hope.
But now the State of Hawaii has dashed those hopes by clarifying that a certified birth certificate must have an embossed seal and signature, features his claimed birth certificate image lack.
The longer Obama waits, the graver grow the consequences of waiting.
There is one simple way for the candidate to clear up the issue once and for all: produce for public inspection and objective analysis the paper copy of his original Hawaiian birth certificate -- if one exists. If he's lost the original, he can request a certified copy. Ordinary citizens are required to produce one to get a passport or a driver's license. Surely it's not too much to ask from a man who aspires to hold the highest office in the land.
The issue is not whether Obama is black or white, Christian or Muslim. It is whether he was born in the USA and thus a citizen eligible according to the Constitution to run for President.
If proof of citizenship does not exist, then surely it would be wiser to admit it now.
Because if Barack Hussein Obama II does not produce definitive proof of his "natural born" American citizenship with original, verifiable documents, he will be setting the stage for a very public battle over his personal credibility, the basic legitimacy of his candidacy, and its possible criminality. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
| oh Jesus Christ... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| uhohhotdog |
IsraeliInsider is a crazy right wing Likud website. It's the National Review of Israel.
As a Jew and a zionist, this is a shameful lie. |
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| artechba |
| Funny thing, this was already prove false on SFN |
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| pluckinstrings |
There is a rumor that he has three testicles.
We should DEMAND that he drop his pants for you to check.
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| JUST1COMMENT |
Quote: Originally posted by pluckinstrings
There is a rumor that he has three testicles.
We should DEMAND that he drop his pants for you to check.
:fuckyou: |
Perhaps the cunt that started this thread should be the one to check. |
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| jetdog |
| what pathetic fucking morons. Eat shit. |
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| Rush Has AIDS |
So wait....
He's not black? ;) |
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| Kill Van Kull |
Quote: Originally posted by booybob
This rumor would be easy to quash, all he has to do is produce his original birth certificate or request a copy from Hawaii. Are the conspiracy wackos making this up or could it be true... |
Just face the facts faggot, you're gay and the next president is a nigger.
Now stop your fuckin' whining!!
:p |
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| booybob |
I guess you just skipped this paragraph.
The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature. |
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| mingmen |
| who does he have to show his papers to? |
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| Reed Rothchild |
| I heard he had a black baby too. Fuckin Muslim. |
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| JTProcess |
Yeah he spent all these years going to Harvard, working in the Illinois and United States senate and up til now no one realized that he's not actually an American citizen... he's a spy from Al QAUED!!!
man do you guys realize how stupid you look buying into this kind of garbage? Talk about tin foil hats.. Jesus... you guys need tin foil body suits. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Quote: Originally posted by booybob
I guess you just skipped this paragraph.
The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature. |
Don't be stupid, ya moron |
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| jetdog |
| If you glance at the website I posted, it SAYS he is a citizen automatically under the first section of the 14th amendment. End of bullshit. |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by jetdog
If you glance at the website I posted, it SAYS he is a citizen automatically under the first section of the 14th amendment. End of bullshit. |
As long as he was born in Hawaii. |
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| Big Strick |
| I would ask to see a copy of John McCain's birth certificate but I don't know if you can scan a stone tablet into the computer. |
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| JTProcess |
| If this is truly an issue then McCain already lost... he wasn't even born in the US. |
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| CrackHead_Fan |
| Sigh....I wish Arnold had a fake birth certificate. |
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| Reverend Tyler |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
As long as he was born in Hawaii. |
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I see your blind hatred of the man is going strong
I heard he murdered a man once. It can't be disproven. So there ya go. He's a murderer. You've no heard it somewhere, so it must be true. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
from snopes |
why don't you include anything but the accusation, genius? |
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| NC-Stern-Mark |
Quote: Originally posted by Reverend Tyler
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I see your blind hatred of the man is going strong
I heard he murdered a man once. It can't be disproven. So there ya go. He's a murderer. You've no heard it somewhere, so it must be true. |
Project much? :rolleyes: |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by NC-Stern-Mark
Project much? :rolleyes: |
you should learn how to use that phrase :idea: |
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| Doctor Ivan |
Quote: Originally posted by Kill Van Kull
Just face the facts faggot, you're gay and the next president is a nigger.
Now stop your fuckin' whining!!
:p |
Racism is frowned upon here my friend. Please curtail the bigotry or your account will be sent to Time Out. |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Big Strick
I would ask to see a copy of John McCain's birth certificate but I don't know if you can scan a stone tablet into the computer. |
:funny:
....he might be "young" enough for it to be on papyrus... |
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| Fdubya247 |
Quote: Originally posted by Doctor Ivan
Racism is frowned upon here my friend. Please curtail the bigotry or your account will be sent to Time Out. |
KVK is no racist/bigot....he was just making a point to one.
:ps: |
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| John Titor |
Quote: Originally posted by Fdubya247
KVK is no racist/bigot....he was just making a point to one.
:ps: |
:rolleyes: |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by John Titor
:rolleyes: |
have to agree with FDub on that one, shitheel :hw: |
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| fastfingersfunk |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
have to agree with FDub on that one, shitheel :hw: |
you are really going out on a limb now. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by fastfingersfunk
you are really going out on a limb now. |
rally? am I risking a mult onslaught? |
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| booybob |
Quote: Originally posted by Kill Van Kull
Just face the facts faggot, you're gay and the next president is a nigger.
Now stop your fuckin' whining!!
:p |
You fucking racist scum, you should be sent to rot in TO like John Titor. |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by booybob
You fucking racist scum, you should be sent to rot in TO like John Titor. |
:hhh: |
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