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| DUDE-HERE |
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Thursday backed off his firm promise to withdraw combat forces from Iraq immediately and instead said he could “refine” his plan after his trip to Baghdad later this month.
Earlier, a top Obama adviser had said that the senator is not “wedded” to a specific timeline.
Obama told reporters in Fargo, N.D., that he is “going to do a thorough assessment."
"When I go to Iraq and I have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I'm sure I'll have more information and will continue to refine my policies," he said, according to CBS News. “I have been consistent, throughout this process, that I believe the war in Iraq was a mistake.”
Obama later said at a second news conference he still intends to stick to the timeline.
The original Obama plan, still on his website, promises: “Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”
In a separate six-page Iraq plan, he says in a section headed “All Combat Troops Redeployed by 2009”: “The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to begin immediately to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year — now.”
David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist, began backing off during remarks Wednesday on CNN’s “Situation Room,” telling guest host John Roberts that Obama has actually advocated “a phased withdrawal, with benchmarks for the Iraqi government to meet, that called for strategic pauses, based on the progress on these benchmarks and advice on the commanders on the ground.”
“He's always said that he would listen to the advice of commanders on the ground, that that would factor into his thinking,” Axelrod said. “He's also always said that we had to be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. So he's been very consistent on this point. ...
“I think he will take the advice, not just the advice of the commanders on the ground but his general assessment of conditions on the ground in calibrating that withdrawal. He said he thought we could get one to two brigades out a month. But he's not wedded to that in the face of events. No president would be. And he's always said that he's never said that this withdrawal would be without any possibility of alteration based on events on the ground. That would not be a prudent thing to do for any president.”
The Republican National Committee plans to make an issue of the evolving statements and has posted “Obama’s Iraq Guessing Game,” rounding up various statements on Iraq by the senator, his aides and surrogates. |
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| artechba |
| It's called listening to your commander and military professionals not firing them. |
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| mingmen |
McSame election spin?
There really is no issue here at all. :p |
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| Jazzy |
So Obama intends to take his time and listen to the advice of military professionals before he makes any decisions?
Why that's perfectly scandalous. It's unprecedented. It's downright un-American.
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| Thunderschlong |
| What a house nikka. I mean, come on, his middle name is hussein. He's got an uppity wife, and he is a socialist lefty. Back in the old days, he would have been kept under control more. The foreman would have kept him in line. Give em an inch, they take a mile.. |
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| Lou Cypher |
I listened to Obama restating his position on CNN last night. Nothing has changed (he says) and this is the McCain camp putting a bad spin on a sensible statement.
For the record, in Canada, we can't take "John Roberts" of CNN seriously. Here, he was a cheesy MuchMusic VJ (Canadian equivalent of MTV) and quite the egomaniacal douche:
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| pluckinstrings |
Quote: Originally posted by GHP
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You are weird GHP... Lurking... :rolleyes: |
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| GHP |
Quote: Originally posted by pluckinstrings
You are weird GHP... Lurking... :rolleyes: |
You're completely normal, and lurkers don't post.
They lurk. :hw: |
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| DUDE-HERE |
just like he is going to expand faith based
but what if these military leaders say to him
we can't pull out of iraq and he listens...this is ok with his supporters.. |
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| Anogram |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
just like he is going to expand faith based
but what if these military leaders say to him
we can't pull out of iraq and he listens...this is ok with his supporters.. |
Obama's faith base thing is not going to be anywhere near what Bush has done or was thinking.
Obama sets the mission as commander in chief to get out of Iraq as opposed to McCain who wants to see a ongoing presence in Iraq with permanent bases. Obama wants a new mission to emphasize withdrawl as opposed to McBush who would promote stay the course and continuation of Bush policy.
So Barack would set a new agenda that being getting out asap but at the same time he said he would listen to the commanding officers on the ground. If Barack has to set the exit date back a little because he listened to the officers that's just a plus to the idea of Barack as POTUS.
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by Anogram
Obama's faith base thing is not going to be anywhere near what Bush has done or was thinking.
Obama sets the mission as commander in chief to get out of Iraq as opposed to McCain who wants to see a ongoing presence in Iraq with permanent bases. Obama wants a new mission to emphasize withdrawl as opposed to McBush who would promote stay the course and continuation of Bush policy.
So Barack would set a new agenda that being getting out asap but at the same time he said he would listen to the commanding officers on the ground. If Barack has to set the exit date back a little because he listened to the officers that's just a plus to the idea of Barack as POTUS.
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lol
you guys are gonna be so duped if your guy gets in ..it will be laughable |
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| mingmen |
| oh no, this is the only strategy we have left :p |
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| Jazzy |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
lol
you guys are gonna be so duped if your guy gets in ..it will be laughable |
That's entirely possible. Big oil concerns have a strangle hold on US leaders, and we all know that big oil wants to get a hold of Iraq and carve it up between themselves. I strongly suspect that we will never really leave Iraq. |
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| whatajoke |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
lol
you guys are gonna be so duped if your guy gets in ..it will be laughable |
McCain is the laughable, dried up old hack politician here. You just drink the right wing Koolaid like a sheep. Senator Obama said the EXACT same thing in September of 2007 on the MSNBC debate, with Tim Russert asking the question. Nothing has changed, the right wing pathetic attack machine and the media slaves are the same as ever. |
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| DaXX |
Quote: Originally posted by whatajoke
McCain is the laughable, dried up old hack politician here. You just drink the right wing Koolaid like a sheep. Senator Obama said the EXACT same thing in September of 2007 on the MSNBC debate, with Tim Russert asking the question. Nothing has changed, the right wing pathetic attack machine and the media slaves are the same as ever. |
how goes your effort to get ya account back ?? have you gotten a reason yet why it was banned ?? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ?
i bet you havent even emailed mutt yet ... bra if you don't put any effort into it how can you expect any results .. . .. . had you tried i bet ya woulda heard something by now... also if you want me to make ya a thread here in the TO forum so you can post in it i would make it for ya... something to get their attention so ya don't have to reply in unrelated threads... |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by DaXX
how goes your effort to get ya account back ?? have you gotten a reason yet why it was banned ?? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ?
i bet you havent even emailed mutt yet ... bra if you don't put any effort into it how can you expect any results .. . .. . had you tried i bet ya woulda heard something by now... also if you want me to make ya a thread here in the TO forum so you can post in it i would make it for ya... something to get their attention so ya don't have to reply in unrelated threads... |
you can't email mutt with a dead account. please shut up, daxx. I am starting to believe that you don't have the access to mutt that you have claimed |
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| DaXX |
Quote: Originally posted by mingmen
you can't email mutt with a dead account. please shut up, daxx. I am starting to believe that you don't have the access to mutt that you have claimed |
what are you some kinda fucking moran ? ?? ?
i gave him mutts email address in another thread... so how can't he email him ??
how the fuck do you think I GOT MY ACCOUNT back when i was deaded ?? ?? ? ? DON'T EVER REPLY TO ANOTHER OF MY POSTS AGAIN I AM GOD AND YOU ARE PEON.
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by DaXX
what are you some kinda fucking moran ? ?? ?
i gave him mutts email address in another thread... so how can't he email him ??
how the fuck do you think I GOT MY ACCOUNT back when i was deaded ?? ?? ? ? DON'T EVER REPLY TO ANOTHER OF MY POSTS AGAIN I AM GOD AND YOU ARE PEON.
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this is a different side of daxx :rolleyes: |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by DaXX
i gave him mutts email address in another thread... so how can't he email him ?? |
sorry about the mix up, daxx - I usually ignore your posts so I prolly missed it |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by DaXX
how the fuck do you think I GOT MY ACCOUNT back when i was deaded ?? |
I don't give your account any thought at all :dontknow: |
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| mingmen |
Quote: Originally posted by DaXX
DON'T EVER REPLY TO ANOTHER OF MY POSTS AGAIN I AM GOD AND YOU ARE PEON. |
gotcha :bigup: |
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| gregdurham |
| You got that right! |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by whatajoke
McCain is the laughable, dried up old hack politician here. You just drink the right wing Koolaid like a sheep. Senator Obama said the EXACT same thing in September of 2007 on the MSNBC debate, with Tim Russert asking the question. Nothing has changed, the right wing pathetic attack machine and the media slaves are the same as ever. |
TO CALL HIIM A HACK IS JUST DUMB..THIS IS WHY DEMS WILL LOSE..BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS UNDERESTIMATE THEIR OPPONENTS
PERSONALLY NO MATTER WHO GETS IN WON'T IMPROVE ANYTHING. NO MATTER WHO GETS IN THINGS ALWAYS GETS WORSE |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Old news, DUDE.
Obama will refine his plan as more intel becomes available.
What's wrong with that?
It sure beats the hell out of Dubya's "stay the course" rhetoric in the face of mounting failures and misjudgements.
More proof, in my mind, that Obama is the best suited to take over the White House. |
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| ArivacaCharlie |
Quote: Originally posted by DUDE-HERE
TO CALL HIIM A HACK IS JUST DUMB..THIS IS WHY DEMS WILL LOSE..BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS UNDERESTIMATE THEIR OPPONENTS |
He's definitely a hack.
Of course, Republicans love hacks. :D |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
Old news, DUDE.
Obama will refine his plan as more intel becomes available.
What's wrong with that?
It sure beats the hell out of Dubya's "stay the course" rhetoric in the face of mounting failures and misjudgements.
More proof, in my mind, that Obama is the best suited to take over the White House. |
REFINE
LOL
HE WILL STAY THE COURSE JUST LIKE BUSH |
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| DUDE-HERE |
Quote: Originally posted by ArivacaCharlie
He's definitely a hack.
Of course, Republicans love hacks. :D |
LOL
FUNNY |
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| whatajoke |
Quote: Originally posted by DaXX
how goes your effort to get ya account back ?? have you gotten a reason yet why it was banned ?? ? ?? ? ? ?? ? ?
i bet you havent even emailed mutt yet ... bra if you don't put any effort into it how can you expect any results .. . .. . had you tried i bet ya woulda heard something by now... also if you want me to make ya a thread here in the TO forum so you can post in it i would make it for ya... something to get their attention so ya don't have to reply in unrelated threads... |
I did email him, no answer. I am going to start a new account as a supporter sometime, I just wanted to know why they deaded me. |
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