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| Blue Virus |
Since their last championship, what has been the biggest blunder Cashman has made?
Randy Johnson.
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| MikeyJJ |
| Hey look, its another virgin killing the 1/2 hour before jerking off again... |
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| WhatRUSaying |
| I am a Yankee fan. This team is lacking heart and soul guys. They are spending too much on high priced players as they did in the 80's. They need to get guys that care about the game and will do what it takes to win. |
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| Petey Arms |
| not trading for johan |
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| DestroVega |
The biggest mistake, by far, was signing Sheffaggot over Vlad the Impaler.
The bad pitching moves have been 50% bad moves, 50% bad luck. |
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| Unknown |
they will go NOWHERE until a-rod is gone... |
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| Blue Virus |
Quote: Originally posted by MikeyJJ
Hey look, its another virgin killing the 1/2 hour before jerking off again... |
You seem to think about other mens jerking off habits quite a bit. Just sayin.....
Speaking of a half hour, if my pizza's not here in 30 minutes it's free, you better get a move on. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Blue Virus
Since their last championship, what has been the biggest blunder Cashman has made?
Randy Johnson.
Next. |
Misleading thread title, but Cashman's worst moves started with Giambi.
Worse than Randy was Kevin Brown.
And worse than that was letting Pettitte walk while he still had quality starts in him. |
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| Blue Virus |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
Misleading thread title, but Cashman's worst moves started with Giambi.
Worse than Randy was Kevin Brown.
And worse than that was letting Pettitte walk while he still had quality starts in him. |
If I'm not mistaken, couldn't they have got out of the Giambi contract after he admited to the use of steroids?
Jared Wright. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by Petey Arms
not trading for johan |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Blue Virus
If I'm not mistaken, couldn't they have got out of the Giambi contract after he admited to the use of steroids?
Jared Wright. |
I don't know about getting out of the contract, but I didn't like the signing back in 2002.
The same reason the rest of the country hated it, I hated it. Big names, big sluggers, high expectations, huge contracts, MVP caliber players... that's not what those teams won with. You can even check the Yankee thread, I've been criticizing this signing since day one. Partially b/c I was loyal to Tino, and partially b/c the it just didn't seam to fit... and it hasn't according to the championship totals. Sure, you could argue they were 1 out from one in 2001, but that was it and that was on the heels of the old teams.
This signing started a snowball effect of bad big name acquisitions. |
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| LennyD23 |
btw, I know you're trying to be funny, so I'm gonna ruin your fun.
Cashman Wiki
Cashman has also been criticized for his poor moves. Examples include trading Mike Lowell to the Marlins for Ed Yarnall in 1998, trading for Kevin Brown, and signing big money busts such as Jose Contreras, Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright, Kei Igawa and Kyle Farnsworth. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
This signing started a snowball effect of bad big name acquisitions. |
I hear/read that they want to go down the same road this offseason. I am sure it will work out well for them |
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| Blue Virus |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
I don't know about getting out of the contract, but I didn't like the signing back in 2002.
The same reason the rest of the country hated it, I hated it. Big names, big sluggers, high expectations, huge contracts, MVP caliber players... that's not what those teams won with. You can even check the Yankee thread, I've been criticizing this signing since day one. Partially b/c I was loyal to Tino, and partially b/c the it just didn't seam to fit... and it hasn't according to the championship totals. Sure, you could argue they were 1 out from one in 2001, but that was it and that was on the heels of the old teams.
This signing started a snowball effect of bad big name acquisitions. |
They seem to have lost sight of what brought them 4 championship. Home grown players brought up slowly through their farm system. It seems they're bringing up players to quickly now out of need and they're just not ready, lots of tired arms and injuries to the young pitchers.
Getting rid of Torre last year seems to have left only Jeter and Riveria from the glory years. I would think having Joe as a constant reminder that this team has won in the past would have been a big motivation factor. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
I hear/read that they want to go down the same road this offseason. I am sure it will work out well for them |
I don't mind acquiring a starter for big money, but if they jump on another 1st basemen or OF for big money I'm gonna lose my mind.
No Texiera please. |
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| Blue Virus |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
I don't mind acquiring a starter for big money, but if they jump on another 1st basemen or OF for big money I'm gonna lose my mind.
No Texiera please. |
Love the av. That guy would have dove naked onto broken glass to make a catch. |
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| asiwouldsay |
| Joba Chamberlain is a reliever today. They are doing a stellar job with this kid. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by Blue Virus
Love the av. That guy would have dove naked onto broken glass to make a catch. |
You could even say that he'd dive naked onto nails. :p |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by asiwouldsay
Joba Chamberlain is a reliever today. They are doing a stellar job with this kid. |
He has 15 holds from the pen, and a sub 3 era... what's the problem? |
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| asiwouldsay |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
He has 15 holds from the pen, and a sub 3 era... what's the problem? |
I don't know if you've noticed but they used him as a starter all through the minors, then a reliever for the end of 06, then a reliever for the beginning of 07, then a starter in the middle of 07, then he got hurt, now he's a reliever again. Next year he's supposed to catch I think, assuming he's not hurt.
Also, everyone in the organization has let their gums flap about what role he should be in, leading to a case of media overload annoyance. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
I don't mind acquiring a starter for big money, but if they jump on another 1st basemen or OF for big money I'm gonna lose my mind.
No Texiera please. |
If they give it to a guy like Sheets then I could understand. But giving a guy like CC $20,000,000+ a year for 6,7 or 8 years would be crazy. It would be continuining down the SAME EXACT road you have been and were complaining about. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
If they give it to a guy like Sheets then I could understand. But giving a guy like CC $20,000,000+ a year for 6,7 or 8 years would be crazy. It would be continuining down the SAME EXACT road you have been and were complaining about. |
Is that what CC is gonna be asking?
I can't justify 8 years. I just can't. He'll be 29 in the middle of his first year under contract.
On the flipside, Pettitte and Mussina get another year older, and they're already (very) old, either could be done tomorrow.
Wang, Aceves, Chamberlain is a question mark and starting again in the pen, I don't think Ponson is coming back (lol), Geise/Rasner combining to give six innings isn't going to cut it for an entire year, will Hughes be ready?
They need somebody. :dontknow: |
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| LennyD23 |
| Question: Isn't Sheets more brittle than CC? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
Question: Isn't Sheets more brittle than CC? |
Sheets at least has the makeup of a big leaguer and not a donut. Sheets will also be looking at a 4-5 year deal while CC will want 6+ |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Sheets at least has the makeup of a big leaguer and not a donut. Sheets will also be looking at a 4-5 year deal while CC will want 6+ |
If they do nothing, they face the same criticism they received this year that they got from all the Monday morning QB's with their great hindsight... aka proponents of trading for Santana + extension.
One guy gets hurt again, that rotation is fucked. I don't like the Sheets move, he'll either be lights out, get hurt, or have a hard time transitioning into the AL.
WWKOAWD? |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
If they do nothing, they face the same criticism they received this year that they got from all the Monday morning QB's with their great hindsight... aka proponents of trading for Santana + extension.
One guy gets hurt again, that rotation is fucked. I don't like the Sheets move, he'll either be lights out, get hurt, or have a hard time transitioning into the AL.
WWKOAWD? |
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I give CC a blank check and tell him to name the price. He can name his own salary but he is only getting a 4 year deal, with a team option/buyout for #5 |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
:lol:
I give CC a blank check and tell him to name the price. He can name his own salary but he is only getting a 4 year deal, with a team option/buyout for #5 |
That's probably the best idea I've heard/read to date.
Lemme guess, that won't happen b/c CC's agent is Boras (or soon to be)? |
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| woogayo |
| can someone change the thread title to 'NY Yankees Blunders this Century' so its compatible with the other anti-yankee threads? :appropriate smiley: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
That's probably the best idea I've heard/read to date.
Lemme guess, that won't happen b/c CC's agent is Boras (or soon to be)? |
Boras is the worst thing to happen to baseball.
But he is one smart mother fucker who demands respect. Even though he is a prick. |
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| Blue Virus |
| CC could turn into a Colon. He's built the same way. 4 years, anything more would be stupid. |
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| LennyD23 |
I smell something stupid on the horizon for a few reasons:
1. New stadium, wanna make a splash and keep butts in those high priced seats.
2. We are talking about the Yankees here. |
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| nuge67 |
| Up 3 games to none to the shitty Sox and not putting them away was huge...We wouold have won it all that year and who knows...... |
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| johnni44 |
Quote: Originally posted by nuge67
Up 3 games to none to the shitty Sox and not putting them away was huge...We wouold have won it all that year and who knows...... |
It's over putz. Now go make a thread and get your shine box boy. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
Sheets at least has the makeup of a big leaguer and not a donut. Sheets will also be looking at a 4-5 year deal while CC will want 6+ |
I'm not making an "I told you so" comment, but Sheets left the game tonight w/ tightness in his forearm in the 2nd inning. :mad:
Sep. 17 - 9:34 pm et
Ben Sheets lasted just two innings Wednesday because of what the Brewers are calling forearm tightness.
Sheets was clearly having problems during the second, though he managed to finish that inning before being replaced by Mark DiFelice. Unfortunately, the Brewers are without the services of Seth McClung tonight, since they decided to have him replace Manny Parra in the rotation. |
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| LennyD23 |
I never really followed Sheets aside from fantasy ball, so I'm no expert cept to claim I have heard about an injury prone reputation...
His player profile here is bleak to say the least as far as injuries and performance are concerned in the month of September. :shake:
He's 3-5 over the last 10 starts (5 quality starts, losing 2) and maybe health is the reason, but that can't be an excuse if he's going out there and losing, even if two were due to lacking run support. If the health isn't there, then what good is an excuse if he can't win when ailing?
Ben Sheets player profile on Rotoworld -
Ben Sheets-S- Brewers Sep. 18 - 12:11 am et
Ben Sheets said after Wednesday's game that he's been dealing with elbow pain for several starts.
It makes one wonder whether there was anything at all to the "groin tightness" that caused him to leave a start two weeks ago.
Sheets said he underwent an MRI, though he didn't say when it happened, and that it showed no structural damage. He's optimistic that he will pitch again this season. **(Are you kidding me?!?! lol)
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"It's been so up and down that I would think it's very possible," he said. "There's been really good days and really bad days. There's been days where it's hard to move it and it's stiff. Then the next day it's great. So we'll see." Manny Parra would probably go back into the rotation if Sheets misses his next turn
Sep. 17 - 9:34 pm et
Ben Sheets lasted just two innings Wednesday because of what the Brewers are calling forearm tightness.
Sheets was clearly having problems during the second, though he managed to finish that inning before being replaced by Mark DiFelice. Unfortunately, the Brewers are without the services of Seth McClung tonight, since they decided to have him replace Manny Parra in the rotation.
Sep. 11 - 10:21 pm et
Ben Sheets surrendered five runs over six innings in a loss to the Phillies on Thursday night.
Sheets was bothered by groin tightness two starts ago, but certainly seemed to be over it when he hurled a complete-game shutout in his last start. This was an ugly outing though. He allowed nine hits and three walks while laboring through six frames on 113 pitches. He'll look to bounce back against the Cubs in his next turn.
Sep. 6 - 9:25 pm et
Ben Sheets, who left his last start with groin tightness, felt well enough to throw a complete-game shutout against the Padres on Saturday. :dontknow:
Another hard-luck outing for Jake Peavy, who was on the wrong side of a 1-0 game today after having a 1-0 lead blown by the pen in his previous start. The Brewers got their run tonight when Prince Fielder doubled in Ryan Braun in the third. After that, it was all Sheets. He allowed five hits, walked one and struck out seven in a 120-pitch gem.
Sep. 2 - 7:59 pm et
Ben Sheets, who left Monday's game with groin tightness, is optimistic that he'll face the Padres on Saturday.
"I'm feeling confident about it," he said. "I think I'm going to (pitch). I just don't want to go five again. I want to go more than that."
Sep. 2 - 12:23 am et
Ben Sheets is hoping to make his next start after leaving Monday's game with left groin tightness.
Sheets felt the tightness in the fourth and came out after five innings. "It started to loosen up but [manager Ned Yost] thought that was enough," Sheets said. "I think it’s gonna be fine. I really think I’ll be OK. I’ll just pay a little more attention to it, hopefully move forward." |
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| LennyD23 |
While we're discussing the next Yankee blunders...
Sabathia is human? source: rotoworld.com
* CC Sabathia took his first loss as a member of the National League Tuesday after the Cubs got to him with four runs over seven innings. He wasn't terrible, walking none and striking out five, but it surely wasn't the CC that us who follow the NL Central have come to know. The Cubs have a great lineup. He was bound to have a mediocre start. This can be written off, right? It's the world of sports. No one's perfect. You've heard the stats: Michael Jordan missed over 9,000 shots in his career. He was trusted to take the game winning shot 26 and times and failed. CC is human and humans make mistakes. That start has nothing to do with the 231 1/3 innings Sabathia has amassed this season nor the way he's been pushed as a Brewer (six complete games)… right?
Sabathia pitched 241 innings in 2007 and didn't seem to fade down the stretch. In 2006, things got a little ugly in September, but his last start, on September 26, was an eight-inning scoreless gem. Of course, in '07 he was asked to pitch just four complete games the entire season. Like I mentioned above, in his short tenure with the Brewers, he has tossed six. Sabathia has thrown less than 100 pitches in an outing just three times as a National Leaguer. He has gone over 120 in three starts. These numbers are scary. Maybe it's safe to question the big man's workload.** Can he be relied on in October if he's already fading in mid-September? Are we reading too much into this?
** That's just great, tacking on miles, racking up innings...
He's prime for a big signing with the Yanks for the next 8-10 years. :jj: |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
| perfect Lenny...So let Sheets and CC goes elsewhere. You guys do not need them. I am sure Hughes and Kennedy are more then capable of winning 15+ games next year. Why not take your chances? :p |
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| StumpMerrill |
| The biggst blunder was going back to our 80s ways of operating and that started w/ the Giambi signing. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
If they give it to a guy like Sheets then I could understand. But giving a guy like CC $20,000,000+ a year for 6,7 or 8 years would be crazy. It would be continuining down the SAME EXACT road you have been and were complaining about. |
Why could you understand Sheets and not CC...
I don't want any part of Sheets, when's the last season he played most of?
I thought Sabathia was going to end up in NYC 2 years ago, and I still think it.
I want him, but I don't think I'd go 8 years on a contract. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
Why could you understand Sheets and not CC...
I don't want any part of Sheets, when's the last season he played most of?
I thought Sabathia was going to end up in NYC 2 years ago, and I still think it.
I want him, but I don't think I'd go 8 years on a contract. |
All I know is that Sheets was "injured" in his start against the Mets a few weeks ago. Then came backfor his next start and pitched an absolute gem. I would rather take my chance with Sheets(who will cost less $$ and less years) then give CC, six plus years.. |
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| LennyD23 |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
perfect Lenny...So let Sheets and CC goes elsewhere. You guys do not need them. I am sure Hughes and Kennedy are more then capable of winning 15+ games next year. Why not take your chances? :p |
Hughes is 23 and Kennedy is 24, CC is 28 and Sheets is 30.
I know Hughes is gonna be a good major league pitcher someday, nerves aside, he pitched well last night despite running his pitch count to the moon in 4 innings (worked outta two major jams yielding only 1 run, shoulda been a lot more). It was also a first place White Sox lineup he faced.
Kennedy has good stuff, he just may not be a big market guy. Trade him to the Pirates like Karstens and watch him pitch a no hitter into the 8th in his first start with them.  |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by LennyD23
I smell something stupid on the horizon for a few reasons:
1. New stadium, wanna make a splash and keep butts in those high priced seats.
2. We are talking about the Yankees here. |
3. attention whore dumbass owner's son
i'm torn between the yankees getting manny and manny being awesome and manny being manny |
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| Blue Virus |
Quote: Originally posted by Apoc13
3. attention whore dumbass owner's son
i'm torn between the yankees getting manny and manny being awesome and manny being manny |
How many years would they give Manny? He wants to be a Yankee, he's from there and he'd love to play against the Sox. He's on the downside of his career but he's a .300 30 100 hitter, at least for three years. |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by Blue Virus
How many years would they give Manny? He wants to be a Yankee, he's from there and he'd love to play against the Sox. He's on the downside of his career but he's a .300 30 100 hitter, at least for three years. |
he supposedly wants 4/100...but if he continues at this pace who knows what he'll want
he'd be a nightmare in left field in the new yankee stadium...he was made for fenway because there is so little ground to cover |
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| jessekatsopolis |
| 0 possibility of CC signing 4 years and I think Tex would be a good fit for the yanks. He is a switch hitter who would hit behind Arod and do very well. His fielding is above average. I think he's great for the yanks, but then what do you do with posada who isn't going to be able to catch with his age and arm. Definitely take CC over sheets. Sheets is like Harden. Great stuff but always has an injury. |
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| MikeyJJ |
Quote: Originally posted by jessekatsopolis
0 possibility of CC signing 4 years and I think Tex would be a good fit for the yanks. He is a switch hitter who would hit behind Arod and do very well. His fielding is above average. I think he's great for the yanks, but then what do you do with posada who isn't going to be able to catch with his age and arm. Definitely take CC over sheets. Sheets is like Harden. Great stuff but always has an injury. |
Tex supposedly wants 10 years. Fuck that...It would be ludacris for the Yanks to give him that type of contract. Giving him money and time like that would be a huge blunder, no way I would be on board. |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by KingOfAllWhites
All I know is that Sheets was "injured" in his start against the Mets a few weeks ago. Then came backfor his next start and pitched an absolute gem. I would rather take my chance with Sheets(who will cost less $$ and less years) then give CC, six plus years.. |
This would be Sheets' career for the Yankees...
CC signs somewhere for 7 year/172 million...
Then Boras basically piggy-backs that contract and the Yankees sign him for 6 years / 120 million
He basically pitches 2/3's of his possible starts the first year, misses the whole second season, and then is on and off the DL the next 4 years...
and you are the first poster here to laugh at the signing...
I want NO part of Sheets... Fat or not, CC isn't injure that often. AND he's won a cy-young in the AL. |
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| Apoc13 |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
This would be Sheets' career for the Yankees...
CC signs somewhere for 7 year/172 million...
Then Boras basically piggy-backs that contract and the Yankees sign him for 6 years / 120 million
He basically pitches 2/3's of his possible starts the first year, misses the whole second season, and then is on and off the DL the next 4 years...
and you are the first poster here to laugh at the signing...
I want NO part of Sheets... Fat or not, CC isn't injure that often. AND he's won a cy-young in the AL. |
the thing that would scare me was how he was destroyed in the post season last year by the sox |
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| jessekatsopolis |
| yea man i agree defenitely not for 10 years fuck that noise. The only player worthy of a contract like that is Hanley. Nobody will give Tex a 10 year contract. Would you be on board for a 5 year contract? |
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| DestroVega |
Quote: Originally posted by jessekatsopolis
yea man i agree defenitely not for 10 years fuck that noise. The only player worthy of a contract like that is Hanley. Nobody will give Tex a 10 year contract. Would you be on board for a 5 year contract? |
I would take 5 if he is 30... I don't even know how old he is, shame on me. |
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| jessekatsopolis |
| he's 28 man that ain't bad even at a 7 year contract which is the golden number it seems like he'd be 35 when he's out. The yankees should pay more for less years and give an option instead of giving 2 added years and spreading the cash flow. |
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| KingOfAllWhites |
Quote: Originally posted by DestroVega
This would be Sheets' career for the Yankees...
CC signs somewhere for 7 year/172 million...
Then Boras basically piggy-backs that contract and the Yankees sign him for 6 years / 120 million
He basically pitches 2/3's of his possible starts the first year, misses the whole second season, and then is on and off the DL the next 4 years...
and you are the first poster here to laugh at the signing...
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So whats the problem? :D |
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| MikeyJJ |
Quote: Originally posted by jessekatsopolis
he's 28 man that ain't bad even at a 7 year contract which is the golden number it seems like he'd be 35 when he's out. The yankees should pay more for less years and give an option instead of giving 2 added years and spreading the cash flow. |
I don't know man. I obviously see why signing him is so enticing, but this is exactly what the Yankees have done for the past 8 years...Throw as much money as possible at the hottest free agent in the market. History has proved that this method isn't exactly the most effective. Even with the likelihood of Abreu and Giambi not coming back, the Yanks lineup will still be pretty damn strong as long as Posada and Matsui are healthy and Cano finally figures things out. I would much rather they spend the money on pitching. |
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| jessekatsopolis |
| They are definitely going to spend money on pitching too. How dependable is Posada with his age? He goes down then the line up takes a real hit as we saw this year. Tex is a way better player then Giambi clearly. Pitching should always come first, but pitching is much harder to find is a lot more risky in my opinion, hence pavano,kevin brown,weaver,contreras.... |
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| StumpMerrill |
| How could the Yankees go after Sheets w/ what they went through w/ Pavano? That's too big of a risk. They will go hard after CC, it will come down to if he wants to play in California or if he wants the money playing for the Yanks. I can't see Sheets coming here. |
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| yambag |
Quote: Originally posted by Blue Virus
Since their last championship, what has been the biggest blunder Cashman has made?
Randy Johnson.
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