A Very Simple Question

unmistakeable proof? where?

Mrs. Beamer is Mark Binghams mother? now that's a conspiracy!

911myths.com is crap right??!?? i know it man, i don't believe them, i only linked to the video so that i could prove that Mrs. Beamer/Marks mother is in on all of this...

and you're right, the calls being faked are not important at all...i mean, yeah, foreknowledge of the conspiracy plan would be required if you were going to fake those calls, but you're right, foreknowledge of the plan is a minute point that doesn't carry much weight....

i really appreciate the info, because it never occurred to me that you could get a picture of molten metal in the rubble of WTC from a satellite...i just wish i could get that picture but i think google must be blocking it....

that whole thing where they show pictures of debris falling quicker than the collapse to prove that it wasn't freefall, just an illusion, they're making that shit up....

and i'm finally on board with the fact that explosives that were set off on 9/11 caused the pools of molten steel found days later under the rubble...it had to be a time delayed thermite solution setup to destroy evidence!!! it makes perfect sense to me!!!

thanks!!!

frogball, the government site is still hosting the satellite imagry that shows temperatures at wtc, you have seen the thermal pockets, maybe you didnt realize they were hosted by the government? http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html

and as you know things speed up as they fall... so if something starts from a higher level, and falls for a longer period of time it will be falling faster. do you grasp that??? do you now see how it doenst prove anything really? except that the debris that is travelling faster came from a higher spot, and started sooner???

still the FASTER THAN freefall collapse is an illusion, yes!! I agree, it was at freefall, not faster. and the reason why the time seems faster, is it is based on perception. where as a good part of the building was turned to smoke, and there fore didnt increase the percieved collapse time which was taken by the 9/11 commission, and the fema report. through video and seismic evidence. that is dust doesnt affect the seismology, and when you see it on the video, you dont percieve it as a part of the collapse.....

so really that is how the numbers get to SEEM to be faster than freefall. when in the reality, it is just freefall speed, not faster...

dude, why you gots to be so negative and unbelieving when it's all right in front of you?

just tell us what you want us to prove and we'll do it...

don't you get it yet that all this information was put out by the <agency which shall remain nameless> just to trick people like you and get you all riled up?

the fact of the matter is it is all simple and explainable....

- the passengers of all 4 flights may or may not have been on those planes
- the relatives who spoke to the passengers may or may not have known those people well enough to detect a fake
- Flight 93 may have been shot down or it may have just disappeared
- WTC1 and WTC2 definitely had enough explosives planted to force 600 ton debris upward at a 45 degree angle
- WTC7 was definitely damaged by that debris that was projected by those explosives
- BUT that damage had NOTHING to do with the WTC7 collapse because it was demoed too (hours later of course when no one would be watching)
- the explosives used to demo the buildings had time delay options so that pools of molten steel stayed molten for days after the collapse
- the military now has secret missiles that, on impact, will explode AND fire a second missile that shoot through schools (or military complexes)
- our hard earned tax dollars were spent silencing thousands of rescue workers, air traffic controllers, investigators, structural engineers, coroners and anyone else who sniffed out "the plan"

come on man, stop being a sheep, open your eyes to the truth!!!! put on your Nike's and drink the purple liquid!

that's so awesome!!! so the little orange spots in the picture are pools of molten steel? aint never seen nuthin like that before....finally some conclusive evidence!

i'm not sure i understand gravity though...so you're saying that freefall isn't really freefall because some things will go faster when they're falling and they can actually go faster than freefall, which would be some kind of accelerated freefall? so in fact the building collapse fell at freefall speed, which proves the explosives, but the debris fell at accelerated freefall speed, which means it can't be used as evidence against explosives....

i'm starting to wonder if maybe my physics teachers were Republicans, with that whole "terminal velocity" crap that use to shove down my throat....

nice, i like the way this is coming together...i'm gonna tell my friends tomorrow....

But HA they failed because Fatesweb and his 5000 hours of research (Did you know that comes to 208 24 hour days of research) are only days away of convincing two people on the Stern Fan Network that buildings cannot fall from planes slamming into them at full speed and that terrorist don't have motives... It's working; my eyes are opening.

freefall gains speed as it gains distance, that is how it is possible for 2 items to BOTH be falling at freefall speed, but one passing the other up...

freefall speed is NOT a constant speed, it increases with distance untill terminal velocity is reached.

nice ad hominem attack, I have already told you that I was obviously exaggerating when I said 5000... you get the point.

you like how I just ripped your myths site to bloody pieces? I noticed you didnt comment on that at all. there goes all your cut and pastes.

Better find another myth site.

also how do you decide if you believe something? do you just believe it or do you research it? because you seem to think it is funny to knock me for researching things before I believe them, you have done that at least 8 times no that I have seen, you dont research stuff before you believe it, which PROVES your a sheep.

wanna know why we call you a sheep? because sheep love thier masters straight up untill thier masters lead then into the slaughter house. when the sheep walks into the slaughter house they are dreaming about how great thier master is.

i know right??? what these people don't understand is that freefall can be defined any way we want it to be defined as long as it applies to our truth....so even though there is video of debris falling faster than the actual building itself we can continue to use the building collapse time to prove our freefall theory because if the building didn't collapse at freefall speed then the argument for explosives becomes harder to make....


.....why can't FEMA and NIST figure this kind of stuff out?

come on, Snoopy is coming around, don't bash him...i was there once too, i didn't want to believe, i did the research, i checked the facts....but in the end, it was humble little site called sternfannetwork.com that released me from the world of sheepdom and led me down the road to enlightenment.....

i used to think that there was a difference between melted steel and weakened steel, but i don't anymore...

i used to think that planes would explode and disintegrate on impact at 600mph, but that's just a farce...

i used to think that there was some decency in the world and that people like rescue workers, who dedicate their lives to saving others, wouldn't sell out 3000 dead Americans for a little bit of coin, but now i know that's not true.....

I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!!

Wow Frogball, your feigned agreement is so clever and convincing. What a tactic! What you don't see is that you're using sarcasm to avoid facts and legitimate research.

no way dude, you're just not paying attention, it all makes sense now...maybe you're the one that doesn't want to face the truth now?

how do planes crashing into buildings keep liquefied pools of metal in a molten state for days without some kind of explosives involved?

when has a plane ever disintegrated after crashing vertically and exploding into the earth at 600mph creating a mushroom cloud that could be seen for miles?

why would the government continue to accuse Osama for this crime when he has made official statements that he wasn't involved?

you have no shred of evidence to prove my claims are false....go ahead and paste all the quotes you want from industry experts, official investigators and eyewitnesses but i promise you this....for every 100 so-called experts you provide we can provide 1 or 2 to completely prove them wrong....

you can't do it and you should feel shame for even thinking about disputing the facts!

Try a new strategy douchebag.

see, you have to turn to insults because you've got nothing else to back up your accusations....how much do you donate to the Republican Party every year?

thousands... I'm a real hardcore right winger.

there you go again with debris falling faster.. take 2 balls drop one from 10 foot, and one from 20 foot, but drop the one from 10 foot 5 seconds after the one from 20 foot.. the one from 20 foot will be falling at a faster pace. we are not redefining the law of gravity, it has always been this way. you are the one seeing some sort of fallacy in the law. which is false.

since the one from 20 started falling first, and it is gaining speed it will naturally be falling at a faster rate. this is called the law of gravity, you outta check it out sometime.

because fema and nist both admit that thier investigations stopped... they didnt study the actual collapse.

there you go again, we have provided proof of the melted steel, so what is you point?

also the last rescue worked was offered jobs with the government etc (coin) and did decline it. why? because he has decided to spend his life uncovering the scam.

here is his video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4380137365762802294

so they didnt sell out for coin, we have LOTS of testimony of them saying INSIDE JOB, and I dont recall a single one saying otherwise.

and yes this is post 666....

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I'll let this guy tell you what happened.

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 on Manhattan Cable access TV (MNN ch.34, RCN 83) at 9:30pm (which is also simultaneously and internationally webcast on the internet via www.mnn.org) Frank Craven's WA/HA? (What's Ailing/Healing US America?) will feature a novel program:

Paul Isaacs, A FDNY (in uniform) WTC survivor and rescue worker barks out in public on behalf of 9/11 truth...the first time he speaks out publicly (at St. Marks Church) and presents a very credible, factual perspective on why he is convinced that the whole tragedy was an inside job and the aftermath is also a continuance of complete criminal behavior on the part of the authority. He defends the individual cops and Firefighters as guys with heart willing to serve the best interest of all, but the system is corrupt at the top and we are subject to an enormous fraud.

i totally get it dude!

i totally get that "freefall" is not a defined speed but simply a term to be used when explaining that something fell faster than WE think it should have....i totally get that the TOTAL time the building took to fall to the ground was longer than a few pieces of of the top and that this DIFFERENCE in timing should in no way reflect any type of resistance that may have been met by the remaining infrastructure below....

i understand....the only explanation is explosives...it makes sense to me now....

yes true because a fall from that height at freefall pace would be take 12 seconds, so resistance would be time added on top of 12 seconds. you do get it now.

so say it

say

"I frogball being of sound mind and body do hereby declare that I honestly believe that the investigation into the events surrounding the attacks of 09/11/2001 should be re-opened"

then you will feel much better.

this is so cool, i'm so psyched to know that someone is speaking up and refusing the hush money....

it's just a bummer that for 20 years he was in charge of "cleaning the stairwells" and didn't detect those explosives or even the people bringing the explosives in...these guys were GOOD!!!!

wait, i hope that he wasn't involved, is it possible that he turned a blind eye and is now feeling guilty?

i can't wait, it's such a tragedy that thousand of police and fire fighters are staying silent because they are cowards and don't want to lose their jobs...it's obviously well known within the NYPD and NYFD what really happened that day!

i can't say that!!! what is the point of re-opening the investigation when it's just going to be the same dummies who are going to do the new investigation?!?! all you are doing is giving them the ability to fix the holes in their story and plant more evidence for the stupid American public to buy into!!!

no way dude, we have to do this ourselves!!!

tell you what, let's get a list of message boards together and split them up and start convincing people right away.....you take A-M and i'll take N-Z....

start with askmen.com and flood their Fashion & Entertainment Forum...

i'll go over to nanny.com and start a thread in Nanny Topics....

by the time we get to Z the government will be overthrown!!!!!