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Anarcho-syndicalism is considered to be on the "far left" and some in this thread insist that libertarianism is "far right." The Chomsky quote is telling in that the far left political philosophy of anarcho-syndicalism is rooted in classical liberalism (libertarianism). I think the similarity of these political philosophies strikes a devastating blow to the claim that libertarianism is "conservatism."

Your stock just keeps going down. And still no venture to guess about who he would vote for, eh? I don't think it is really such a mystery.
But we are back to the beginning. Conservatism is not anything in particular. Just as liberalism isn't anything in particular. Your insistence on closure is a fault and does not indicate intellectual sophistication or prowess. RP's philosophy (which I suppose you concede is libertarian) is strikingly conservative. But there is nothing in this world that IS conservatism. You silly insistence on this point is laughable.
I did not realize how poor your ability to recognize nuance is. I severely overestimated you. This dogmatism only reveals your insecurity.
To insist that RP does not operate under conservative ideals is a complete farce.

You could learn from the study of the ba gua, Meow.



At each extreme is the seed of the opposite. Nothing is purely yin or purely yang. That is the essence of wisdom. :asian:

Our concepts are just names we give the ineffable. That are not the reality.

Fdup must be taking a cat nap.

Your posts mean nothing in particular, for the most part. I wish I had something better to respond to. I would venture that Chomsky would vote for neither the conservative John McCain nor the liberal Barack Obama. If he voted, which is far from certain, he probably voted for Nadar. An irrelevant question, in any case.

Now it is your turn to respond to Chomsky's statement that anarcho-syndicalism is rooted in libertarianism. How do you reconcile your belief that libertarianism is conservatism? Is anarcho-syndicalism conservatism? Is Noam Chomsky a conservative?

I agree with you that conservatism means nothing in particular. I wish you would be consistent and and not insist on labeling everything as "conservative" or "liberal." It is better to use specifics.

just like your insistence on the ownership of the term liberal. attempt relevance why don't you

Yes I would suppose that too. Making your implications that voting for libertarian candidates have anything to do with Chomsky's views silly. But rest assured you are only deluding yourself. Even idiot is not buying this garbage

I don't believe that libertarianism IS conservatism. It is nonetheless profoundly conservative. Just like I am not so stupid as to think that libertarianism IS freedom. Like you are

Holy fucking shit...did jigsaw steal Meow's login? You are the one labeling and insisting on it while rejecting specifics. Get a clue, dipshit.

I dropped my insistence about fifty posts ago. Pay attention.

Pay attention to what? Your false construction that I think libertarianism IS conservatism? Is that more relevant, meow. I think I am asking the wrong person that question

If Chomsky favors anarcho-syndicalism and anarcho-syndicalism is rooted in libertarianism and libertarianism is profoundly conservative, then Chomsky is conservative. Do you really believe that Chomsky is conservative? Unless you answer yes, your argument is unsustainable.

Lets see if you can deduce my answer from this comparison. If I germinate a seed and plant it in the soil...do I call the adult plant "soil"? :korean:

Nice tortured logic though. Just when I think you cannot get any more stupid...off you go.

Just the tenor of your question speaks to your desperation

That is a foolish analogy. From human DNA to an embryo to an infant to a child to an adult, it is still human. You will have to do better than that.

I think your attempt to draw conclusions from "tenor" speaks to the difficulty you have in countering the "tortured" logic of my interpretation of Chomsky's statement in the context of this discussion.

Yes, I would not call it soil either.

...I disapprove of, disagree with, and have no connection with, the latest aberration of some conservatives..., who attempt to snare the younger or more careless ones of my readers by claiming simultaneously to be followers of my philosophy and advocates of anarchism. Anyone offering such a combination confesses his inability to understand either.

~ Ayn Rand, on "Libertarians"



Loother: "younger or more careless"???

I have no problem with it.
First of all I have said repeatedly that calling someone a conservative is meaningless. But again you insist on using the same ridiculous assertions.
So from the beginning your tortured logic is worthless. I did not say libertarianism IS conservative. But its principles certainly are. I don't know why this makes you cry so hard. I have explained exactly what that means. A conservative interpretation of the constitution and a commitment to a conservative government. You see conservative as an insult. I don't care. It is an accurate description of libertarian approach to politics on every level.
By your tortured logic am I under the obligation to say that libertarianism IS anarcho-syndicalism? If you had a single brain cell you would see that the argument ends there.

You're right, the Queen did just fine!

What defines a political philosophy if not its principles? How can libertarianism not be conservative when its principles are? And you accuse me of tortured logic? If my logic is tortured then yours is non-existent.

Your use of the word "conservative" is constantly oscillating between its political meaning in modern American culture and its literal meaning (limited, moderate, restrained).

I never said anarcho-synicalism IS libertarianism. Chomsky said it is rooted in libertarianism. If that is true then they must have shared political values, which they obviously do. If, as you say, most of the values of libertarianism are conservative, then those values which are shared with anarcho-syndicalism must also be conservative. The same values cannot be conservative while they are libertarian and not conservative when they are anarcho-syndicalist. If, like libertarianism, the values of anarcho-syndicalism are conservative, which has been shown to be the case, then anarcho-syndicalism is equally conservative to the extent that they have the same values.

But conservatism does not have a concrete meaning. The only point is that if you believe anarcho-syndicalism is conservative, which you must do if you call libertarianism such, then you would be laughed at by any respectable political thinker.

I have not used conservative as an insult. I have not made any value judgments about it, whatever it is. What I have done is challenge your assertions that libertarianism is conservative, which according to the popular meaning of the word, it is not.

To believe that royally chartered monopolies backed by military force accord with free markets is embarrassingly ignorant. Not that you would mind.

The esteem which such theory mus be hled is great. You guys are genius. One issues though - practial application.

That is your problem. Either show how my use of the word conservative is inaccurate or shut the fuck up.

No, that is your interpretation. When I use conservative it means limited. Just like it did at the CPAP conference. Too bad for you. Weed out the idiots among your retarded followers and then you can be dogmatically pure. Makes no difference to me. Republicans have many retardations and misconceptions. Make them idealogically pure if you want. Tell them to stop using the word conservative because it hurts your pussy so. Not my problem.

Neither did I. But you have made just as tenuous claim. Although I would say yours is far less meaningful. I don't care what you think of the word conservative. I use it because it is accurate. I see that accuracy causes you pain.

Just as a tree is rooted in soil. Is our droid learning?

Which ones are they? Specifically?

Wrong. But I am curious to see what values you think they share.

Which values? Smaller government. Smaller overseas defense. Conservative interpretation of the constitution? Is that what they share?

Poppy-cock. If you say that they have the same values then you are saying they are the same. I would like to see your support of that.

But even if you were to provide that evidence I don't think that means Chomsky IS a conservative. Again, that is meaningless. Just like you and your Austrian retard buddies

To assert that free markets have anything to do with reality demonstrates your relevance.

Would you characterize Chomsky as a progressive, Meow?