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Contempt vote set for Holder...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by NCMike06, Jun 11, 2012.

  1. NCMike06 Full Member

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...ote-against-holder/?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea

    (CBS News) CBS News has learned the House Oversight Committee will vote next week on whether to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress. It's the fourth time in 30 years that Congress has launched a contempt action against an executive branch member.


    This time, the dispute stems from Holder failing to turn over documents subpoenaed on October 12, 2011 in the Fast and Furious "gunwalking" investigation.


    The Justice Department has maintained it has cooperated fully with the congressional investigation, turning over tens of thousands of documents and having Holder testify to Congress on the topic at least eight times.


    However, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., says the Justice Department has refused to turn over tens of thousands of pages of documents. Those include materials created after Feb. 4, 2011, when the Justice Department wrote a letter to Congress saying no gunwalking had occurred. The Justice Department later retracted the denial.


    "The Obama Administration has not asserted Executive Privilege or any other valid privilege over these materials and it is unacceptable that the Department of Justice refuses to produce them. These documents pertain to Operation Fast and Furious, the claims of whistleblowers, and why it took the Department nearly a year to retract false denials of reckless tactics," Issa wrote in an announcement of the vote to be released shortly. It will reveal the vote is scheduled for Wednesday, June 20.

    Issa says the Justice Department can still put a stop to the contempt process at any time by turning over the subpoenaed documents.


    If the House Oversight Committee approves the contempt citation, the matter would likely be scheduled for a full House vote.


    For several weeks, there has been closed-door discussions and debate among House Republicans as to whether to move forward with contempt. Some have expressed concern that it could distract from the Republican's focus on the economy in this election year.


    Led by Republicans Senator Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Issa, Congress' investigation into Fast and Furious is now in its second year. In the ATF operation, agents allowed thousands of weapons to "walk" into the hands of Mexican drug cartels in the hope it would somehow help ATF take down a major cartel. Some of the weapons were used in the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry at the hands of illegal immigrants crossing into Arizona. Mexican press reports say hundreds of Mexicans have died at the hands of the trafficked weapons. The story was exposed nationally for the first time by CBS News in February 2011.


    If there is any justice in the world, federal prison will be where Holder ends up...



    Ohh, and in before 'racism'.....
  2. booybob2 Got The Gay

    As they Should. I can't believe that they waited this long.
  3. NickNuke Full Member

    I hear Eric had an ol fashion, bluegum BBQ this weekend....
    [IMG]
  4. ElLocoCrazy Full Member

    And they should.
    That"operation" was a thinly veiled assault on the 2nd amendment.
    Mexican drug cartels were never the intended target.
    It was just a ruse,an excuse to push gun control regulations.
    So many regulations that it would choke the gun industry.
  5. NickNuke Full Member

    And it literally blew up in their faces.

    The whole goal of F&F was to use it as a catalyst to enact gun control.

    But it blew up in their faces.

    And Holder has gun powder burns all over him.
  6. recovery road Full Member

    and here is Holder's epic return of a right wing nut job and his attempt to smack Holder down... Cornyn should have never gotten out of bed that day

    Cornyn: In short, you’ve violated the public trust in my view and, by failing and refusing to perform the duties of your office.

    It’s more with sorrow than regret, than with anger, that I would say that you leave me no alternative but to join those who call upon you to resign your office.
    Americans deserve an attorney general who will be honest with them. They deserve an attorney general who will uphold the basic standards of politiical independence and accountabilty. You’ve proven time and time again, sadly, that you are unwilling to do so. The American people deserve better. They deserve an attorney general who is accountable and independent. They deserve an attorney general who puts justice before politics.
    It’s my sincere hope that President Obama will replace you with someone who is up to that challenge.
    [Chairman Patrick Leahy offers a few remarks of support for Holder and then allows him to respond.]
    Holder: With all due respect, senator, there is so much that is factually wrong with the premises that you started your statement with, it’s almost breathtaking in its inaccuracy, but, I’ll simply leave it at that.
    You know, we want to talk about Fast and Furious, this is, I guess, what, the ninth time?— [turning to an aide who nods "yes"]—this is now the ninth time that I have answered questions before a congressional committee about “Fast and Furious.”
    If you want to talk about Fast and Furious, I’m the attorney general that put an end to the misguided tactics that were used in Fast and Furious. An attorney general whom I suppose you would hold in higher regard was briefed on these kinds of tactics in an operation called “Wide Receiver” and did nothing to stop them. Nothing. Three hundred guns, at least, “walked” in that instance.
    I’m also the attorney general who called on an inspector general to look into this matter, to investigate this matter. I’m also the attorney general who made personnel changes at ATF and in the U.S. Attorneys office that was involved, have overseen the changes of processes and procedures within ATF to make sure that this doesn’t happen ever again.
    So I don’t have any intention of resigning. I heard the White House press officer say yesterday that the president has absolute confidence in me. I don’t have any reason to believe that in fact is not the case.
    And in terms of, you know, what is it that we have turned over to Congress in this regard, let’s put something on the record here. … We have collected data from 240 custodians, we have processed millions of electronic records, looked at over 140,000 documents, turned over 7,600 pages. Over the course of 46 separate productions, we have made available people from the department at the highest levels to be interviewed.
    And I’ve also said, indicated, I guess, earlier in my testimony, to the extent that all of that is not enough to satisfy the concerns that have been raised in the House committee, I am willing to sit down and talk about the provision of more materials. I have sent letters in that regard, the deputy attorney general has sent letters in that regard, and have not had responses. Which leads me to believe that the desire here is not for an accommodation but for a political point-making. And that is the kind of thing that, you know, you and and your side, I guess, have the ability to do if that’s what you want to do. It is the kind of thing that I think turns people off about Washington. While we have very serious problems, we still have this political gamesmanship.
    Cornyn: The problem we have is that you won’t allow Congress to do its job when it comes to oversight and you thwart a legitimate investigation into programs like Fast and Furious.

    and that's how Cornyn ended it,...sputtering the same ole crap, like a broken down Edsel . But that's high praise for a knuckle dragger like him
  7. recovery road Full Member


    spoken like a true gun nut... do us all a favor, lock yourself up in your basement...along with your arsenel of weapons. We'd all be infinitely safer
  8. cunning lingo Full Member

    Always loved this one...

  9. Hy Colonic Full Member

    Yeah, good luck with that. Get your hopes up GOPers. It's always more fun when you all get fired up only to be let down.
  10. NCMike06 Full Member

    Like Wisconsin, you mean ?

    :frantic:
  11. NCMike06 Full Member


    Yeah, he stopped it AFTER they set up the stupid plan to begin with, AFTER they got caught...AFTER an American border agent was killed with one of holders guns. And After they lied about it...

    ANd operation Wide Receiver was a different program...

    Nice try though...
  12. blargy

    blargy SFN Gold Supporter

    I'm not sure he should stand for a Contempt of Congress charge for incompetence.

    But he should be held in contempt by the American public.
  13. recovery road Full Member

    heh? we could argue all day about the stupid program, but what was epic was the takedown of a slimy, spineless right wing senator. Holder made him pee down his leg, he had nothing left in his tank to sputter. Thats what happens when a higher intelligence goes up against a right wing jelly fish. EPIC takedown!
  14. NCMike06 Full Member

    Yeah...you and Holders immediate family are about the only people who view it that way.. Hope and CHange !
  15. bambo Full Member

    Typical obama fail. So wretched and disgusting. Shame on the foolish emotional supporters of the obama administration. Suckaz.
  16. recovery road Full Member

    you've gotta admit, he schooled him. EPIC schooling... Cornyn is still coughing up the crow feathers
  17. NCMike06 Full Member

    When you are lying at every turn, as Holder does...you end up 'schooling' no one.
  18. BillyfrSPhilly Full Member


    How would you know? You get schooled by 12 year olds.
  19. Jackie's Career Full Member

    "EPIC schooling".... if you can manage to ignore the hundreds of dead bodies.
  20. recovery road Full Member

    "hundreds"? we went from one border agent, to now hundreds? well, the Obama admin is still about 1 million behind dubya's body count, so I'll spot you a few "hundreds"...
  21. zimmie Full Member


    where are those million people buried?...no one can seem to find them....
  22. Tomofnnh Full Member

    I don't see any dead bodies outside my window either. This recovery fellow must be jive talking.
  23. Jackie's Career Full Member

    It's actually two agents and 300+ Mexicans (that we know of) killed by guns linked to F&F. Have you been following the details of this case at all?

    You don't seem to appreciate that youre talking about real people with grieving mothers, fathers, children, spouses who will never be able to see their loved ones again. You don't just "spot you a few hundred bodies" like it's some meaningless videogame you self-absorbed little bitch.
  24. recovery road Full Member

    then why don't you come to the table with something factual, instead of stuffing your head in the ground like other cement headed right wing nut jobs, and blurting out crap like the back end of a goose. bitch
  25. recovery road Full Member

    let's start with 9/11, and then work our way all the way around to Iraq, where Dumbya's innocent body count makes Obama's work look like a child's sand box. Suddenly you wing nuts are all up in arms over 2 dead agents, and 300 Mexicans (Mexicans- LOL!). One day you want them all tossed out, the next day you're all up in arms! LOL! Wing nuts are the sorriest bunch of imbeciles walking God's green earth

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