Drop George Zimmerman’s murder charge ...Dershowitz

as i said during the DA's news conference, fat bitch was a loser and incompetent...

even Dershowitz admit's it's time to......

Drop George Zimmerman’s murder charge

New evidence suggests Trayvon Martin's killer acted in self-defense

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BY ALAN DERSHOWITZ / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Published: Friday, May 18, 2012, 3:55 AM

STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE/AP

A medical report by George Zimmerman’s doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman — if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.

There is, of course, no assurance that the special prosecutor handling the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, will do the right thing. Because until now, her actions have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional.

She was aware when she submitted an affidavit that it did not contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She deliberately withheld evidence that supported Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense. The New York Times has reported that the police had “a full face picture” of Zimmerman, before paramedics treated him, that showed “a bloodied nose.” The prosecutor also had photographic evidence of bruises to the back of his head.

STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE/AP

This Feb. 27, 2012 photo released by the State Attorney's Office shows George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin, with blood on the back of his head. The photo and reports were among evidence released by prosecutors that also includes calls to police, video and numerous other documents.

But none of this was included in any affidavit.

Now there is much more extensive medical evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman’s version of events. This version, if true, would establish self-defense even if Zimmerman had improperly followed, harassed and provoked Martin.

A defendant, under Florida law, loses his “stand your ground” defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force.

Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161#ixzz1vHJIFUCA

Dershowitz is right. The cops who did not press charges did the right thing. If this goes to trial, there will not be a conviction, and then we are back to riots. This is a mess that should be dropped now.

Common sense will prevail and Zimmerman will be a free man, if looking over your shoulder the rest of your life can be considered 'free'.

The Usurpers will quickly find another catalyst...

Filthy prosecuter should be fired for wasting tax dollars on this witch hunt. Typical beaurocrat scum fat bitch demorat.

I just don't get why the prosecutor would have pursued this having seen the evidence. Outright stupidity.

If public pressure is the answer, then the answer would have been to make this evidence public earlier.

Does he say that Zimmerman should be charged with anything?

Seems like zimmerman should sue for wrongful imprisonment or something. No to mention libel.

His point, and it seems valid to me, is that even if you agree with the prosecution's version of events, it still doesn't equal a crime - certainly not 2nd degree murder.

There is no evidence that proves Zimmerman started their fight (and he is going to argue it was Martin who attacked him as he was walking back to his car), but even if we assume that Zimmerman followed him... and we assume that Zimmerman started the fight ... that he still has a right to self-defense.

He is on his back. Punch after punch after punch. He has a broken nose, two black eyes. nScreaming for help. Head bashed in. No end in sight. Even if he started the fight, what is he suppose to do at this point? Just cover your face and hope for the best after you black out?

I like how a small tiny scratch on your head is equivalent to "head bashed in"

broken nose, 2 black eyes, back of head covered with blood, etc.

what is your point? He should have just lied there on the concrete and hoped Trayvon got tired? If someone starts a fight with you, that gives you the right to beat them to death?

Again, direct question, what should anyone do once their on their back getting pummeled with no end in sight (regardless of how they got there)? What is your answer?

More:

New witness accounts also emerged Thursday. A witness, whose name is redacted, told investigators he saw "a black male, wearing a dark colored hoodie," on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.

The witness, who was looking out the sliding glass door at his home about 30 feet away, said he saw the black male throwing punches "MMA (mixed martial arts) style."

Rev - it's over.

In addition to what BlackDildo posted, Travon Martin's father was presented with the 911 call made by a person who captured the yells for help on her phone and Martin's father said that it wasn't his son yelling for help. Martin did not have any wounds on his body other than the damage to his knuckles and, obviously, the gunshot wound at very close range which says that Zimmerman was not in a position to wave the gun in front of the kid to ward him off.

The prosecutor should have indicted Zimmerman with involuntary manslaughter at best. Zimmerman is going to walk and any violence that occurs as a result of the verdict will be the responsibility of this overzealous prosecutor.

The point of contention is who is the aggressor. A concealed carry permit holder can not start a fight and then use his weapon to defend himself. If you are the aggressor, you completely forfeit your right to legally use the concealed weapon in your defense.

An officer wrote in his report that Martins death could have ultimately been avoided had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle and not followed Martin. That is unequivocally true.

The issue for a jury will be did zimmerman become an aggressor when he followed Martin and did he surrender his aggressor status when he returned to his car and regained the right to use his concealed weapon in his defense. It will be an interesting case and Zimmerman is by no means a free man, he could well be convicted of murder in the second degree.

Is it your contention that his head got cut while watching Trayvon from across the street?

Lets be honest, Zimmerman's injuries are not at all consistent with his head being "pounded into the sidewalk"

Not At All...

How can he be convicted of second degree murder when you do not have any eyewitnesses to who was shouting at who and who threw the first punch? What's more, how can a jury make that decision in the absence of a third party giving direct testimony?
At the end of the day all you have is what the witnesses have said and there were no wounds on Travon Martin's body beyond the abrasions on his knuckles and the gunshot wound. It's going to be real hard to argue that Zimmerman was the aggressor when there is no physical evidence of Zimmerman landing any blows on Martin before the shooting.

You are a fucking nitwit.

Let me demonstrate...

When Zimmerman ADMITS to following Martin, even to the extent of running after him, in the bounds of the law he becomes an aggressor. Concealed carry permit holders can not go around chasing people solely because they appear suspicious to them, you blithering idiot.


Another scenario that may help you understand; a concealed carry permit holder gets into an argument with his neighbor about loud music and yells incendiary insults about the man's race and becomes an aggressor. When the neighbor responds by knocking him to the ground and beating him, he pulls his concealed weapon and shoots the neighbor dead. The concealed carry permit holder will in all likelihood be convicted of murder.

If you are a concealed-carry permit holder you should make every effort to MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS and not in any sense of the word act as a law-enforcement officer or become an aggressor in any way.

Well you'll have to understand that I'm neither a lawyer nor a gun owner so I'm not familiar with laws that pertain to people with concealed carry permits.

That said, Zimmerman was "running" after Martin while on the phone with the police. It's not as if he was chasing the kid down with the intent of getting into a confrontation with him - if you listen to the full 911 call that Zimmerman made he was telling the police where Martin was and when Martin went out of view he went to find out where he was so he could inform the police. That is when the dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following Martin, Zimmerman said yes and the dispatcher told him they didn't need him to do that. That goes back to my assertion of the lack of eyewitnesses - whether Zimmerman broke off is "pursuit" of Martin when told by the dispatcher that it wasn't necessary cannot be determined because all we have is Zimmerman's testimony to the police. Nobody saw all this before it went down.

When I first heard about this story my first reaction was this was a case of a guy who decided to play cop and is going to go to jail for shooting an unarmed kid. Knowing that Zimmerman called the police and was on the phone with them while he was trying to find out where Martin went changes things - I understand your assertion that a guy with a concealed gun should make every effort to avoid a confrontation but by calling the police he certainly wasn't looking to take the law into his own hands.

Again, I went over all this in my first post, you are simply a reactionary simpleton with comprehension issues.

This may be a good analogy for explaining Stand Your Ground and concealed-carry permit holders, but it does not help the prosecution. They have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman's self defence argument does not hold up. All of the evidence there is supports Zimmerman's story. Except for the fact that Zimmerman got out of the car to follow Trayvon after he was told not to, there is no other evidence against Zimmerman. That is not enough to convict of murder, it is just insurmountable, it requires too much guessing. The prosecution would have needed an eye witness to the killing. The one witness testimony there is prior to the killing, again, supports Zimmerman.

And you know that because you're an expert? Give us a break, dude, that's just a stupid comment. How many times have you see the results of someone's head being slammed into a sidewalk? I'd bet none, and I'm pretty sure I'd be correct.

It seems the only evidence available points to zimmerman becoming the aggressor, that much is crystal clear. He should not have followed or chased Martin, doing so, he lost the legal right to use his weapon in defense.

Again, the key to the case is if and when zimmerman surrendered his aggressor status and if and when he legally regained the right to use his weapon. The jury will decide that.

You are an idiot. Pounding someone's head into a sidewalk would produce large scalp lacerations, significant swelling and bleeding and most likely bone fracturing. Zimmerman will be destroyed on the witness stand when they have medical doctors talk about the insignificant cuts on his head. They are entirely representative of someone who just got smacked in the nose and fell back on his ass. No way was his head "pounded" on sidewalk.

This guys head may have been pounded on sidewalk, George Zimmerman's head, not so much.

I have to believe that Zimmerman was resisting the head/sidewalk pounding. I'm sure that would lessen the force/trauma. Besides, if he was getting pounded that badly he'd have never had his wits about him to shoot Trayvon.

But let's be honest, Zimmerman's injuries are not at all consistent with a man going out to hunt black people.