Florida to tighten down on voter fraud...

Amid voter-ID fight, Florida gets access to citizens list



WASHINGTON (AP) – In a victory for Republicans, the federal government has agreed to let Florida use a law enforcement database to challenge people's right to vote if they are suspected of not being U.S. citizens.

The agreement, made in a letter to Florida Gov. Rick Scott's administration that was obtained by the Associated Press, grants the state access to a list of resident noncitizens maintained by the Homeland Security Department. The Obama administration had denied Florida's request for months but relented after a judge ruled in the state's favor in a related voter-purge matter.


Voting rights groups, while acknowledging that noncitizens have no right to vote, have expressed alarm about using such data for a purpose not originally intended: purging voter lists of ineligible people. They also say voter purges less than four months before a presidential election might leave insufficient time to correct mistakes stemming from faulty data or other problems.





Democrats say that the government's concession is less troubling than some GOP-controlled states' push to require voters to show photo identification.

But Republicans count it as a victory nonetheless in their broad-based fight over voter eligibility, an issue that could play a big role in the White House race. That's especially true in pivotal states such as Florida, Colorado, Nevada and North Carolina.

Republican officials in several states say they are trying to combat voter fraud. Democrats, however, note that proven cases of voter fraud are rare. They accuse Republicans of cynical efforts to suppress voting by people in lower socio-economic groups who tend to vote Democratic.


The Homeland Security decision may affect places beyond Florida, because Colorado and other states have asked for similar access to the federal database.


After a judge recently ruled against federal efforts to stop Florida's aggressive voter-list review, Homeland Security agreed to work on details for how the state can access the federal SAVE database — Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements — to challenge registered voters suspected of being noncitizens.

Florida has agreed that it can challenge voters only if the state provides a "unique identifier," such as an "alien number," for each person in question. Alien numbers generally are assigned to foreigners living in the country legally, often with visas or other permits such as green cards.

Unless they become naturalized citizens, however, they cannot vote.

The agreement will prevent Florida from using only a name and birthdate to seek federal data about a suspected noncitizen on voter rolls.



The SAVE list is unlikely to catch illegal immigrants in any state who might have managed to register to vote because such people typically would not have an alien number.

Scott, whose administration had sued Homeland Security for access to the SAVE list, said the agreement "marks a significant victory for Florida and for the integrity of our election system."

"Access to the SAVE database will ensure that noncitizens do not vote in future Florida elections," Scott said in a statement Saturday.

In a letter Monday, the department told Florida it was ready to work out details for providing access to the SAVE list. The letter was signed by Alejandro Mayorkas, director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

It follows a flurry of legal actions between Florida and the federal government. On June 11, the Justice Department said it would sue Scott's administration on grounds that the state's voter-purge efforts violated voting rights laws.

The same day, Scott announced a lawsuit against Homeland Security seeking access to the SAVE list. He said it could be a valuable tool in determining who is a citizen. Two weeks later, a U.S. judge blocked the federal attempts to stop Florida's voter review efforts; the Mayorkas letter soon followed.

A Homeland Security spokesman said Saturday the agency had no further comment.

Department officials told the Orlando Sentinel last month they had concerns about using the SAVE list for voter-review purposes. They said the list's information is incomplete and does not provide comprehensive data on all eligible voters, the newspaper reported.


Scott's administration hopes to restart a suspended voter registration purge that was hampered this year by faulty data and bad publicity. The review, using driver's license information, initially produced 180,000 voters' names considered worthy of checking. County election supervisors examined 2,625 people on the list. But more than 500 were soon found to be citizens, and the review was halted.



State records show that 86 noncitizens were removed from the voter rolls since April 11, and more than half of them had voted in previous elections.

Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner asked election officials Saturday to restart the review. He said it will "include a carefully calibrated matching process" between the state's driver and voter data "before any records are verified through SAVE."

for more http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-07-14/florida-citizens-list/56224900/1

But but but....there is no such thing as voter fraud.....................

Why do Democrats want voter fraud?

There isnt....And any voter wrongly purged from the rolls (that would NEVER happen in Florida) should get like...at LEAST a million dollars from the State. Not that you can put a price on your rights, but still. In Pennsylvania they are purging close to a million voters for a whopping dozen cases of voter fraud in the last decade. There should be no allowance for an "oops, we're so sorry" defense...Any legal voter that gets fucked should get compensated heavily. Then, maybe they will actually take it seriously instead of a way to purge minority voters.

What voter fraud? The dozens of cases that have ever happened?

Um, dude.... Look at the part Mike quoted & get back to me.
It's post number 2 for your reference. You know, like, there's less than 10 posts in this thread, it shouldn't be hard to miss.

so....40 out of millions cast? Yeah, huge massive problem. Definitely worth "accidentally" scrubbing the names of perfectly valid voters.

Cool...disenfranchise thousands of voters statewide to prevent 3 cases of alleged voter fraud. GOP logic!

Someone link to where legit voters aren't allowed to reregister or clear up whatever issues they had?

Please. It's widely known that thousands of voters...many of them black...were purged from voting rolls in 2000 after being wrongly identified as felons. Now Florida will start wiping names off the voter rolls...presumably many of them incorrectly...just a few months before a presidential election? And Republicans are blaming Obama for playing dirty? Laughable, and for you to blindly support makes you just as laughable.

Any plans to crackdown on absentee ballots? Oh that's right I forgot!!

Any plans on extending early voting? Oh that's right I forgot!!

Remember how righties got all applipletic when Dems in 2000 wanted to enforce the deadline laws for absentee ballots?

You guys are so full of shit on this. Beware the rath of Holder enforcing the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

Liberal cunt crying because voter fraud being enforced.... too bad the unions don't run the games in Florida , like Nevada , eh cunts?

http://theintelhub.com/2010/11/03/harry-reid-steals-nevada-wins-amid-fraud/

what scumbags you guys were...

sure I remember, military personnel overseas cast votes way before the election however they weren't delivered on time by the government and the Democrats tried to have them disqualified. Even Lieberman couldn't stomach this betrayal of military personnel.

"For many Democrats immersed in Florida's disputed presidential election, there was no worse moment than the one on Sunday, Nov. 19, when Senator Joseph I. Lieberman appeared on national television and said that election officials should give the ''benefit of the doubt'' to military voters.
Until then, the Democrats had conducted a full-scale effort to persuade counties to disqualify any overseas ballots that lacked postmarks or witness signatures. But on that morning, with Republicans attacking the Gore-Lieberman campaign for eliminating the votes of hundreds of men and women in the armed forces, Mr. Lieberman effectively disavowed the strategy."
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/u...t-on-military-vote.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

What about the 43 people who had their votes canceled out by those 43 illegals in FLA who voted ?? how much compensation do they get ??? What is so fucking hard about presenting photo ID at a voting booth anyway ?? You have to show it to enter any federal building ? Get federal or state benefits, or do many many other things in society today. It is completely ridiculous to argue against this and the ONLY reason to make the no voter ID argument is because your party supports and lives on voter fraud.

There should be 'no allowance' for NOT having a photo ID when you want to vote.

*****Leftwing talking point alert**** thanks for that bud....

....too bad when hearings were held in Congress...NONE of these people could be found... Nice try...

It will never happen...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...voter-registration-forms-to-dogs-dead-people/
Lib Group Sends Out Pre-Filled Out Voter Registration Forms to Dead Dogs

Brenda Charlston holds a photo of her long-deceased dog, Rosie, and a voter registration form for “Rosie Charlston” that arrived in the mail for the canine last month in Seattle. Rosie was a black lab who died in 1998. A left-leaning group called the Voter Participation Center has touted the distribution of some 5 million registration forms in recent weeks, targeting Democratic voting blocs such as unmarried women, blacks, Latinos and young adults. But residents and election administrators around the country have also reported a series of bizarre and questionable mailings addressed to animals, dead people and people already registered to vote. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson) The liberal group Voter Participation Center sent out 5,000,000 voter registration forms – many to dogs and dead people. The groups says it has registered more than 350,000 since last September 2011.

How many dead dogs do you think will make it to the voting booth this election?

- John Paul Stevens - Liberal Supreme Court Justice.

Then there is this:



And finally (for now) this:

http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/04/30/3924376/democratic-precinct-chairwoman.html

All f this is the answer to a problem that really doesn't affect elections !

How does 43 votes equal living on voter fraud? Are you serious right now? You think all democratic voters are voting illegally? The problem is with these laws is it disenfranchises many more voters than the cases of voter fraud that actually exist.

That is there underlying reason. Not to stop fraud , but to deny the right to vote. All the bullshit about having to show your drivers license when you do something is a political ploy. All of the examples they give involve personal choice , flying shopping etc.



Voting is the ONE single issue that is not a personal choice but a RIGHT Guaranteed under the Constitution. So fuck then all and their need to produce for vacation traveling crud.

In other news...

Florida to tighten down on pirated 8-Track Audio Tapes.


They like to focus on non-existent crimes down there in Florida.

You were faking outrage about ANYONE who had their names purged from the voter rolls in error...yet here we have a clear case of 43 instances of voter fraud, where 43 voters had their votes made meaningless...and you blow it off as nothing. And here is a clue for you.... it took this process to identify those 43 names...you can be certain that there are more illegal votes...MANY more....and in MANY places.

Does it 'disenfranchise' citizens from gaining access to the government and services to require them to have an ID to enter a federal building. ?? How about when they try and open a bank account ?? Is the mere existence of federal law/regulation that require banks to get photo ID a problem for these people ?? Is it more important to card people who buy cigarettes, as many/all states require, or to do the same for votes ??

Yours is a party that lives and breathes voter fraud and that is ONLY rational explanation for opposing it.

Apparently you dont see voting as being a very important right