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Free plumbing advice needed

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Deepercreek, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. BaddFunn Full Member

    Do you know the BTUs on those furnaces by chance?
  2. Deepercreek

    Deepercreek SFN Gold Supporter

    Not off the top of my head. I'll send you the info on exactly what I am supplying in BTU's with the standard gas line (if it works)
  3. Deepercreek

    Deepercreek SFN Gold Supporter

    I'll post before and afters. I am not DIY this job, no time and I need hot water. Estimates started at 3K and ended at 5.4K FYI. Why the fuck would anyone go to Med school?
  4. BaddFunn Full Member

    I checked my gas supply tables and 10' of 3/4" black iron can supply 278 cubic feet per hour or 283,560 BTUs.

    Not sure what your natural gas pressures are up there but around here in NJ they're around .5 PSI.
  5. BaddFunn Full Member

    so they don't have to work in crawl spaces. :jj2:
  6. Deepercreek

    Deepercreek SFN Gold Supporter

    .5 PSI sounds like a number I have heard before and also sounds like a problem looking at your numbers. I know the main furnace is over 100, 000 BTU. This is going to be another long day. Honey, turn the furnace off I need to shower.
  7. BaddFunn Full Member

    It's pretty common that the gas supply is inadequate when replacing a standard water heater with a tankless. Most 40/50 gal tanks are about 40K BTUs. Then you go and replace it with something that requires 237K under full load and there's just not enough gas to keep it running. When the plumber ran that 3/4" pipe down there he never figured on that much of a demand.
  8. Deepercreek

    Deepercreek SFN Gold Supporter

    I mentioned running another line a few times yesterday, 100% said I had enough gas, not one of them went to the back of the house and looked at the other furnace. I have some homework to do before this day starts.

    With your numbers the main furnace and tankless operating at max will overload the supply. I am searching for residential gas supply now.
  9. BaddFunn Full Member

    I know things are a bit more expensive in AK, and I don't know the price of that unit they're installing, or what needs to be done with the vent, but the prices you got seem kinda high to me considering they're not planning on running a separate gas line to the tankless.
  10. Deepercreek

    Deepercreek SFN Gold Supporter

    They are going to have to run another line from what I see. .5 is kind of the standard nationally after a quick search. Lower 48 prices on the tanks I am interested in ranged from 1400 - 2300 plus freight. On average they had about 1500 in parts/labor built in after the heater amount. Most were talking about 2 guys on the job. If I make them coffee I will have a tip jar by the pot. The friend of a friend quote was the highest, sometimes that shit doesn't work.
  11. Deepercreek

    Deepercreek SFN Gold Supporter

    If I did it myself I would be 2 or 3 days and 5 or 6 trips to the hardware store......and if I fuck something up I own it......much as I hate paying for someone else I have to factor that in.
  12. BaddFunn Full Member

    Well I hope whoever installs it will guaranty that it works and if it does end up requiring a larger gas supply will do it without trying to get you to pay for it.

    I'm not trying to bum you out, just sharing some insight. Good luck with everything.
  13. neeland Full Member

    they make electric ones , just curious why you didn't go that route ?
  14. Deepercreek

    Deepercreek SFN Gold Supporter

    The water temps overwhelm an electric, nobody even sells them up here. The biggest NG ones will only run one or two fixtures, even though they advertise up to 7.
  15. O Face Full Member

    I just found out that my sink is cracked, and its one of those corian sinks that is molded into the counter. Do I have to get a whole new counter?:(
  16. vector1701 Full Member

    Yep. A patch job will never match...
  17. O Face Full Member

    sweet. I had a leaky faucet, plumber came and fixed. I notice immediately after he left there is still a leak but it appears to be coming from the sink. What's the chance it is a coincidence as opposed to him fucking it up?
  18. vector1701 Full Member

    Hard to say. Leak from the sick from the bottom of the faucet base or from the drain?

    If it is coming from the base of the faucet I would think that a seal in the faucet itself is probably shot. I am not a plumber, but in the research I have done over the years it seems the internal parts have moved from metal to plastic and just do not hold up over time (yeah, I know...shocker).
  19. O Face Full Member

    No the crack looks like it is coming from the sink basin, not where the faucet is. If he were to crack it I would presume it was from getting under there and fucking around and cracking it somehow. You have to reach under the sink basin to get back to where the faucet is. It is possible that both the faucet AND sink were leaking when he came to fix the faucet (replace the faucet that is), but shouldn't that doofus have noticed? It makes me think something is fishy and be broke it and is covering it up. I could totally be wrong though.
  20. Benham Full Member

    he probably fucked it up on purpose so you'd have to call him again. those plumbers are all bad news.
  21. O Face Full Member

    ha he came over and my wife said took 1 minute to diagnose the crack, charged for the hour, and left. He didn't seem like he wanted the extra work -- he seemed like he was ready to bounce.
  22. vector1701 Full Member

    wow. I would think he would have to bang the shit out of a corian sink from below to crack it.
  23. O Face Full Member

    Well maybe then it's not possible and I'm out of line
  24. O Face Full Member

    Next question: I can't see the crack in the sink -- can't I just seal it somehow underneath and avoid gettign a new one?
  25. Blade_Jones

    Blade_Jones VIP: Prank Caller

    Left is hot, right is cold, shit travels downhill and I don't work on Sundays. Those are the 4 rules of plumbing and everything you need to know to complete your task.

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