Howard's problem with Stuttering John on Adam Carolla uploaded on youtube!

Hey guys I know many have heard this but I would bet just as many have not. I finally tracked down the infamous Stuttering John interview on Adam Carolla's old FREE-FM show from my archives that is still pissing Howard off so much. I uploaded the whole thing to my youtube channel in 6 chapters starting with his first phoner that really got Howard going followed by John coming IN studio to qualify it all but never backing off.

I've always been in John's camp on this whole thing but I'm curious from those haven't heard this woud think. I think its' from 07 or 08? Very much a must listen to get to the core of the whole Stuttering John bitterness saga. John dishes some cool dirt here.

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This has been interesting so far. Thanks for posting.

Thanks man, when you get done with that I also found a cool segment from 03 where Louis the Board Op just lays into Gary for being arrogant, rude, and playing favoritism.

What I take out of that, plus listening to other people like Jackie and Billy over the years, is this.

If you feel like you're not making enough money, then Howard says it's between you and management like Tom Chiusano or Sirius.

However, if you go management and ask for more money, and they don't give it to you, and you have to supplement your income with outside appearances or gigs, Howard gets mad at you directly, and not the management that wouldn't give you more money to begin with.

When you're inconvenienced by management, Howard says it's not his department.

When Howard gets inconvenienced by a bad situation management basically forced you into, then Howard blames you, and not management.

And even if you say to say to yourself:

"No one is forcing me to work here. I like the people and job, but if the management of this business won't pay me what I feel I need to continue working here and still pay my bills and survive, I guess I'll quit and go somewhere that will..."

Then Howard still gets mad at you, and not the management, that basically forced you into a position where you had to make a really unfortunate decision like that.

Ultimately, the problem is Howard wants it both ways. He doesn't want the responsibility or inconvenience of having to constantly fight management for the people who work around him (which by itself is an understandable position, as even Adam Carolla said it can become a slippery slope) but Howard still wants the right to constantly criticize his employees for not focusing 100% of their efforts to his show, which is incredibly hypocritical and almost monstrously unsympathetic.

I'm reminded of an instance when Howard was talking about how taxes might be raised on those making over $250,000 a year, and Howard was literally screaming about how that wasn't a lot of money at all.

I don't believe he specified whether or not he was talking about the country in general or someone living in New York City, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was talking about someone in the city.

During the whole rant all I could think about was people like Richard and Sal and JD who make nowhere near that amount of money, and still have to live in and or travel to the city on a daily basis, and yet Howard won't intervene to help them at all.

Hey great post..Now can you answer me why Sal,Richard,JD,Will have never been invited to spend time at Howard's house but Stuttering John and his wife was spending time at Howard's house exactly 2 years ago 2010 after this interview was done?????So you don't think Howard should have gotten mad at John for blasting him on Facebook AFTER he was invited to his house 2 years ago (Remeber after this interview was done).This is why Howard was mad at John.Not this interview.But it's great to go back in time.

UMMM,Sal makes close to 60 or more a year for doing phoney phone calls and JD's job is watching TV which pays his rent living in Brooklyn NY which is VERY expensive to live..

You're right and wrong about that. Yes, John did bash Howard on Facebook after being invited to his house in 2010.

But in regards to this interview and the original fallout after it, Howard was very clearly mad about the first Adam Carolla interview, as evidenced by how John and Adam talk about the angry, profanity laden, hour long rant Howard directed at John between the time of John's first phone interview with Adam, and his later in studio appearance.

The timeline of events goes something like this.

1. 2007/8: John talks to Adam on the phone.

2. 2007/8: Howard complains about the interview and yells about John.

3. 2007/8: John appears in Adam's studio.

4. ????: At some point John and Howard patch things up or at least agree to be civil ( and this I believe it was mostly because of their wives being friends)

5. 2010: John and his wife spend time at Howard's house.

6. 2010: (And this part I'm unclear on) Either Howard said something on air that John found disrespectful, and John responded with anger on Facebook, OR John started bashing Howard on Facebook, and Howard responded with anger on air. Who did what first in that instance might still be debated.

7: Any time after the last event: The two now officially hate each other.

Thanks for the posts

solid post, will definitely listen later.

What their jobs are isn't the point here. We're not talking about what the appropriate amount of money is for someone who makes phoney phone calls. We're talking about whether what they are getting (regardless of occupation) is enough to get by on. If they're watching TV or doing rocket science, they still need a certain minimum amount to survive on. (And even then, a certain amount higher than that to survive comfortably.)

And they very clearly aren't being payed enough. Sal needs more money and so does JD. Their money troubles are constantly being brought up on air. This is not debatable. They get by, and just barely.

The point were supposed to be discussing in this thread is if Howard has the right to get angry about people like John or Sal or JD wanting or feeling they need money.

And my position is still that he ethically can't argue that management is in charge of the money, and then yell at the people who work with him when they go and do other things to make more money, when it's supposedly management's fault that they're not being payed enough.

If he wants to criticize the people who work around him for looking for other sources of income and not focusing 100% on the show, then he's basically admitting that he's their boss, they're his employees, he doesn't like their performance, and he's the one in charge of paying them.

But when know for a fact that he's not in charge of paying them. So he has no right to complain.

If my coworker didn't make enough money to feed his family, and he had to get a second job, and he came in tired all the time to his first job that we share, and I felt his tiredness made work more difficult, I'm not going to get mad at him. I'm going to get mad at the job for not paying him enough, or maybe society for being so fucking hard to survive in, but not at the guy trying his hardest to feed his fucking kids.

And regardless of anything else, Howard definitely can't complain when someone leaves his show to make more money somewhere else. He doesn't own them. It's a capitalist society and free market, and they're allowed to go to whatever job they can get. If Howard feels their departure hurts his show, then he should blame the management not paying the amount of money needed for these people to stick around. But he doesn't. He blames the people themselves who leave. And that's fucked up.

Because I don't think Howard ever actually got over that hit and only agreed to be civil because BethOno and SuzannER were good friends all that time. Was it ever confirmed John was actually there or did he facebook he got "invited"? I'm a little foggy on the whole John and Hamptons/Facebook deal?? I need a detailed recap I have to admit. What was the blast exactly?

Pretty good timeline, and I'm like you in that I'm foggy about about the facebook thing as well as the Hamptons soiree'. Howard thinks he's safe just taking shots at John because his pussy staff will just pile on because they don't have the balls to try something else, and they know it pleases Howard with no mind of their own.

Fred pissed me off the most when he got all ornery at John on his last day. He just couldn't fathom what John was going through financially because he's the most OVERpaid on the show for doing shit and saying nothing.

If you listen back to those salary quotes John gives here at KROCK it's inhumane how he could last so long. Anyone that faults John for leaving they're full of shit because they would do the same thing.

Never thought I would miss John... I sure do now.

The departure of Billy West is a horrible example of Howard shooting holes in his own boat.

Howard had intervened on behalf of Jackie when salary negotiations stalled but Howard chose to stick his ostrich head in the dirt when it came time for Billy to be respectfully acknowledged and compensated for his contributions, which live on to this day. He left Billy alone to negotiate with Tom, who added insult to injury when he demanded that Billy sign a document that would indemnify Infinity Broadcasting from any legal threats that might arise due to his attack-dog tactics that Howard himself encouraged Billy to do. Billy suddenly left, and Howard played dumb and innocent. (Billy has said that he still has that piece of paper somewhere.) A very tense on-air phone call with Billy's then wife not long after, was very revealing. Her tone was clearly that of blame towards Howard, while only telling him, "we are moving forward".

Despite the disrespect from Howard, Billy is grateful for the opportunity he was given and he still loves and respects The Show, while being too classy a guy to openly criticize Howard for being a neurotic, selfish, childish, disrespectful, innocence-feigning coward.

During the SIRIUS years, Howard claims that he doesn't understand why Billy won't come into the studio for a visit.

Despite his claims, Howard has little to show for his 13+ years in therapy, which is dependent on unflinching truth-telling and self-examination in order to make real headway with personal issues. He still entertains me, but often as a head-case who doesn't always realize how much he actually reveals of himself through his behavior.

Seems to me the only thing John might have done better is to talk to Howie when he had the Leno offer on the table to see if he could match it or come acceptably close. It comes off as a little weird, like he thought it was a once in a lifetime shot (which it probably was) or that he really just wanted to leave Stern (which he probably did) and no offer Howie would make would matter.

And let Howard sabotage John's best chance to escape from being constantly exploited and humiliated for chump change for a once-in-a-lifetime job offer? IMO, Howard would have threatened Jay into withdrawing the job offer. Then, with John back on the poverty wagon, Howard would repeatedly taunt John with the story of how a delusional John tried to better himself in show biz but failed because he sucks.

Looks like your mad at Howard..Well we'll agree to disagree on some points.We just see this topic very differently.

But who's the real loser in this.Stuttering John who had to get demoted after 1 season because he sucked at doing his shtick that worked on Howard's show or Jay Leno who looks like an ass(Again)for stealing John away,thinking he was this great employee and finding out that he was kinda useless and then having to keep him around just to save face.