MMA Thread

I rewatched it several times in HD, and I still determine it was a 'submission' just as the ref ruled.

She may not have said 'tap' and her other arm may have been 'free', but neither of those things has relevance on the outcome.

Her other arm was supporting her weight, and she cried out in pain from her lead arm being cranked.

If you don't agree, then you must also be saying that Chael Sonnen did not submit.

Gottcha!

Silva over Belfort is KO of the Year imo, Belfort is still a big name, and the hype that went into that event.

It is the most refined KO of the year for sure, but refinement doesn't count for much when you have a severly hurt fighter in Kongo on wobbling legs who stuns his agressor with a shot to the side of the head, following it up with an instinctual long uppercut which sends the opponent to the canvas with an eyes open KO which lasts some time.

Yes, there was a lot of hype for Belfort, but it is already being outdone by Silva's next bout.

The hugeness of the event didn't last as it has with Jones' TKO win over Rua, Cain's TKO victory over Lesnar, or even GSP over Shields. I only add GSP since he was really tested due to the limited vision and the fact that the result made Yahoo's front page, though Diaz will be the Fight of the Year.

Silva vs Sonnen was much bigger, but of course that was a long time ago.

People will still be talking about the 5 round Silva/Sonnen match a decade from now, but the Silva/Belfort bout will be a footnote, except of course for that picture and the couple of seconds that the setup and the KO spans.

Then again, Belfort could become number one contender again and get the rematch he already claims he will win. The only thing that would change though would be that Belfort would have two Losses to the Spider.

Okami is the first rematch for Silva. Sonnen would have been the first, but it looks like it could be the second rematch for Silva after Sonnen takes out Stann.

He would need another win though, perhaps against the winner of Leben vs Munoz.

GSP needs to handle Diaz, then make that step up to Middleweight in order to challenge Silva for not just the title, but for Greatest of All Time.
Or, Hendo can go down to 185 for his rematch with Silva and take it all. GSP and Hendo both would have to make it a permanent move in weight. No going back and forth.

Hendo vs Fedor will likely be runner up to Fight of the Year.

That July 30th bout didn't change anything though. Fedor was already done after Bigfoot, and Henderson was already awesome. Hendo just became a lot cooler though. His LHW title counts for more in terms of going to the UFC.

Edit: It was past midnight when they fought, so it was the 31st.

I don't think it will happen, but you could argue that Silva had the KO and sub of the year and was involved in fight of the year.

Silva hasn't had a sub this year. Are you talking about 2010? If so, he didn't have any KOs that year.

The Sonnen fight was last August 7th, so he could have Sub and Fight of the Year for 2010... though Lesnar's choke-out of Carwin is my choice for both.

The last time Silva had a KO and a Sub victory in the same year was 2008.

Moving on,

Tue Aug 16 11:16am EDT
Machida: A fight with Davis would be a ‘classic match-up of styles’

By Maggie Hendricks




Our friends at Yahoo! Sports Brazil caught up with Lyoto Machida over the weekend and his coach Jorge Guimares. They found out that Machida is very close to signing a fight with Phil Davis, which Machida sees as a good match-up.

'It would be a classic match-up between styles. (Phil) Davis is a natural born wrestler. I would have to adjust some aspects in my game to face it as an equal. But this ability to change and learn has always been one of my strongest characteristics. There will be no problem' said the fighter.

Machida has faced, and beaten, fighters with strong wrestling backgrounds in the past. His striking is powerful enough to have overcome the wrestling strength of both Rashad Evans and Randy Couture. Do you think it's enough to take out an undefeated rising star like Davis? Or is Davis ready to beat Machida? Tell us your thoughts in the comments or on Facebook.

I was thinking that the sonnen fight wad in 11. Can't believe it was that long ago, doesn't seem like it was.

I think Machida can handle Davis. Nice match though. I like the idea.

I have Daley/Diaz and Maynard/Edgar ahead of Hendo/Fedor for FOTY, but its all opinions

I don't have Hendo/Fedor as FOTY either.

There may be 5 runners up to the one that actually wins, including the two you mentioned, but a 'Draw' can't be FOTY. If the rematch happens this year, it could be FOTY year if a winner is crowned.

The UFC Lightweight title has only been held by 4 men, so a new champ would be news... as would another successful defense.

However, if Edgar/Maynard I is in the race, then so must be DosSantos/Carwin (i.e Edgar's comeback in the 1st and Carwin surviving 3 rounds and not quiting).

The Jones-Rua match will be mentioned because Jones became the youngest champ ever at 23 years old. Other than that, it can't be FOTY because it was too easy for the winner. The reason that Diaz/Daley can't take it is because of how far Daley has fallen since.

Like I said though, Diaz vs GSP at UFC 137 on Oct. 29. in Vegas will be the one.

Diaz will have the CA and Nevada fans, but the crowd will likely chant 'UFC' as if to say that GSP represents the UFC and Diaz still represents SF. The same thing happened at Toney-Couture. They will view Diaz as someone from another sport entirely..... unless of course he wins, then they will all jump on board.

Why do you say a draw can't be FOtY

Round of the Year

The 'Draw' in question provided no resolution.

I am mainly going by the disgusted reaction of both fighters as the decision was read. After Dana White put the belt on Edgar's shoulder, Frankie just let it fall to the mat as if it was meaningless.

The bout was a disapointment to the guys who fought it out, and such a lack of celebration should play into denying it FOTY.

If you want to argue that the opening 5 minutes of Edgar-Maynard was Round of the Year.... I would totally agree.

The end sucked though...

Edit: The upcoming rematch will actually be Edgar-Maynard III.

The hell are you talking about, he lost 1 fight to Woodley, that's it. The reason they chanted it during the Toney vs Couture fight is it was "Boxing vs MMA", has nothing to do with Diaz being from Strikeforce, just as Shields was and nothing was said in his fight vs Kampmann

You are missing two points.

1. Nick Diaz is a boxer. Remember how he got into the UFC? He threatened to go do a pro-boxing match. The UFC stepped up.

He had run through his division.

I think Diaz even faked out Daley by pretending to be hurt. If you say that it is FOTY, then that means Diaz should be known as the most recent SF champ in the WW division.

Despite coming from boxing, Toney was in an MMA UFC fight, therefore the chant wasn't even correct. Both Toney and Couture were UFC for that night.

What I am saying is that the crowd will view Diaz as an outsider.

2. Jake Shields is not controversial as Diaz is.

GSP is beloved in the UFC, Kampmannn not so much. I for one didn't take much notice when Shields came over, except that people said he cut weight too quickly to make 170.

He tested GSP, but that could have been from an eye poke.

P.S. Shields didn't go directly into a title fight as Diaz is going to be. It will in fact be SF boxer vs UFC hero.

GSP is mythic in the UFC. He only has two losses, and one of those he avenged against Matt Serra, the other is an arm-bar to Matt Hughes.

With that Serra rematch canceling out one loss, we have only seen him truly lose just once.

The Serra loss was personal because it was a TKO, and he paid it back in full.

The Hughes loss is technical MMA and is an honor to have from a legend such as Hughes.

It is like this guy who got grabbed by Kobe, it should be an honor to have him do that.

Diaz is not a boxer so stop , and that face plant he did wasn't him pretending to be hurt, you're getting far to ridiculous

It is Mixed Martial Arts, and the style Diaz uses is boxing, so therefore he is a boxer.

Machida is a karate expert.

Brock Lesnar is a wrestler.

Cain Valasquez is a striker.

In addition, Diaz has one professional fight in the sport of boxing.

Apparantly you didn't watch the fight since Diaz never 'faceplanted' nor was hurt.

He got hit on the jaw, lost his footing, and the force knocked him to the ground, but the punch didn't hurt him. He stayed down on purpose to avoid knees to the head. At no point was he out.
His head doesn't even touch the canvas.

Man you're more delusional than I thought


Cain was a "wrestler" far before he did anything with striking

'Was' is the key word. You are talking about college days, and I am talking about the UFC here and now. Wrestling is a tool in MMA, but you can't win with just wrestling. Cain Velasquez has 8 KOs out of a total of 9 fights. Therefore, Cain is known as a striker.

At least I can manage more than two sentences.

A guy who studies Muay Thai is known as a kickboxer even if he is doing MMA.

You should argue with Pat Miletich who announced the Diaz/Noons II fight. He said that their championship match in SF was the best display of boxing in the sport of MMA by the two best boxers in their division.

If Noons didn't hurt Diaz, then there is no way Daley did.

I don't think you know what 'hurt' means in MMA, nor do I think you know what a KO is despite many explanations in this thread.

I think Clay Guida would disagree with that

Maybe I should write paragraph after paragraph of complete shit as you do. I never said Diaz didn't have good boxing, but im not labeling him as a "boxer" as you have labeled every mma fighter, he has great bjj to also go with his boxing.

You're right I have never seen a KO, can never tell when someone is hurt, or as you say "pretending to be hurt". Give me a fucking break

3 out of his last 6 wins have come by submission. That is not exactly textbook boxing. Diaz is a pure mixed martial artist with no one style. Calling him a boxer is an insult to the rest of his very high level MMA skills

Boxer vs Striker

The two of you pick the smallest part of my post and make a big deal about it.

Of course Diaz has submission skills, but if you watch the in cage interview after the win over Noons, he stated that he could have gone to the ground and beaten him that way, but he wanted to prove he could beat Noons in pure stand-up, which he did.

If Diaz wants to submit GSP, he will use BJJ.

If Diaz wants to KO GSP, he will box him.

How is it an insult if Miletich says the same thing? That is absurd. Saying that Diaz is a boxer is just a description, regardless of if he has submission wins.

Diaz wins how he wants to win.

Notice that I am not saying who will win.

Did those 3 submission wins out of 6 come after Diaz boxed them and took some of their energy?

Did any of those 3 get rocked prior to the sub?

Just look at last week's UFC Live event, many failed submission attempts that led to that fighter losing.

If you can't get the sub hold, then start striking.

I say 'boxer' to distingush from 'striker' (i.e. Dos Santos will box and Cain will strike).

Dude, no one is making you label him as a boxer. No one said you had to.

Not every fighter is a boxer. As I have said, some specialize in striking (Cain), karate (Machida), Judo, BJJ (Silva), etc...

In fact, Diaz and Dos Santos are the only ones I have referred to as boxers. Two fighters out of hundreds is hardly 'every mma fighter'.

Now that you mention it, let's call Edgar a boxer as well.

Of course Diaz has great BJJ. Who said otherwise?

Also, I never said you 'never seen a KO'.

Everyone has seen a KO.

I don't think I said anything about you not being able to tell 'when someone is hurt' either.

What I said was that Diaz was not hurt. You can read into that however you want.

"I don't think you know what 'hurt' means in MMA" That was your exact quote.

Yes, it was... and as you should be able to tell, it is a different statement altogether than the one he claims was made.

Just because someone can 'tell when' an MMA fighter actually is hurt (i.e. Hamill hurt by Gustafsson or Rua hurt by Jones), it doesn't mean that they can then state for a fact that Nick Diaz was 'hurt' by Daley. If someone insists that Diaz was hurt, then I would say that he or she does not know what 'hurt' means in MMA.

From the above .gif image, I think that it is clear that such a thing never happened to Diaz. After he lost his footing and fell down, he immediatley moved his arms up to protect his head as he figured out how to get back to his feet. After Daley got hit, he didn't get up for over a minute even though the fight had ended.

It is amusing how people would think that I am making them share the sentiments of a particular post.

I would rather hear about what strategy you feel that each fighter will use, and whether he should stick to a 'game plan' or not.

If the crowd in Vegas welcomes Diaz, I will be surprised and I will admit I was wrong about this supposed 'SF vs UFC' rivalry which I suggested exists.

However, what will you say if they end up booing Diaz?

I am not even the poster who brought it up, but I would agree that Diaz was hurt in the Daley fight. Was he able to stay composed and continue? Sure he was. But I still think he was hurt. Not unlike the recent Kongo fight, he too was hurt, but was able to get some offense off and win the fight.

I don't think the crowd in Vegas will welcome Diaz but it will have nothing to do with UFC vs Strikeforce. By a lot of fans, Diaz is seen as a bad guy. GSP is beloved by almost all MMA fans. I think GSP gained even more fans after he was on TUF. He came off very likeable on the show when pitted against Kos. I think we will hear a lot of GSP chants. I would be shocked to hear UFC chants. The Toney situation was not anything like this one.

As far as guessing startegy, who knows. After BJ Penn came out and decided to grapple with Fitch, I can't even begin to claim to know what a fighter is going to do.

But hey, I'll take a shot. Diaz probably wont spend 2 seconds on a strategy in his fight with GSP. He is just going to come out to fight. Wherever the fight leads him he will be comfortable with it.

GSP on the other hand has probably spent every moment of his life the last month thinking of what he will do. I would expect a lot of movement from him while trying to work his jab. Exploding through his takedown attempts and if successful gaining side control and working some ground and pound to try to set up a Kimura.

Just a note, but during the Dos Santos-Nelson fight, the crowd was chanting 'USA' and soon after that was when Dos Santos got on TUF as a coach and has now come to represent the UFC.

Crowds can do stupid things. The country of origin of a fighter is nice to know, but there is no real rivalry between Brazil and the US.

Anderson Silva just bought a mansion in Los Angeles county... close to Torrance where the Gracie Jiu Jitsu academy is.

Boxing uses the Latino vs Black angle. UFC relies on US vs Britain aspect mostly.... or Mountain man Carwin vs Big Farmer Lesnar.

UFC Battle on the Bayou next month. That has got to be just a bit Hillbilly. Snakes and all kinds of Voodoo.

Kongo wasn't 'hurt', Kongo was KOd and the fight should have been waived off by the ref as a TKO win for Barry. It didn't happen though and the result is KO of the Year.

If you allow people to get KOd and keep fighting just because it was a 'flash KO', then MMA will always be seen as some barbaric sport where safety is not paramount.

UFC is going to be on FOX where the whole country will be watching, so the refs need to have a refresher course on stoppages. Herb Dean did a fine job in the Hendo-Fedor match.

Obviously Mittrione liked being able to knock Morecraft out twice though. Once in the first, and again here in the 2nd,

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