MMA Thread

Looks like they busted Overeem. Probably the most shocking news ever. Elevated levels. Will he go with the TRT defense?

This problem can be solved quickly. Mir fills in and fights JDS. In place of Mir, Fedor fights Cain. Boom problem solved fans happy. I can dream right?

How dumb can Overeem be? Appearently very. The stupid muscle head was told he would have 2 random drug test after the bullshit he pulled before the Lesner fight and he continues to use PED's.
T/E ratio in normal males is 1:1
WADA standards are 4:1
NSAC standards are 6:1
Alistar Overeem's ratio is 14:1

Who would of thought? Goddamn that horse meat!!! I can't wait to read the bullshit excuse this moron tries to give to the MMA community. All these idiots getting busted need to be banned from the sport forever. Maybe that will make others think twice before they cheat. Unfortunately the PED users can go to other unregulated fighting countries and continue cheating.

It shows what a joke the testing system is. He thought he could get away with it.

If a normal man is 1:1 why in the hell does NSAC allow for 6:1? It's almost as if they are allowing for some cheating. A fighter with normal levels could use TRT and raise his levels and it isn't against the rules. That seems fucked up to me.

True random testing with harsh punishment is the only way to slow it down. A lifetime ban is a bit too harsh for a first time offender, but 1 year should be mandatory.

I'm actually surprised that Overeem was the only guy who tested positive. When the tests were reported I thought Mir, Werdum and Overeem could be fucked. I didn't rule out JDS and Cain either

What is the UFC going to do with the JDS fight?

A) Mir
B) Cain
C) Hunt
D) Werdum
E) Other

It won't matter how many rounds it goes. Injuries are just as likely to occur in the first round as they are at the end of 5. A fighter can break his hand on the first punch and not be able to use it for the rest of the bout (i.e. Rich Franklin's arm broken in 1st against Liddell).
Does Cung Le target Rich's arm?

Machida does not work since he is a loser. Hendo must face a winner.
The only time a loser faces a winner is when he is the former champ coming off a title fight loss (i.e. Cain getting Mir and Shogun getting Griffin). Machida has to fight a Loser (possibly Thiago Silva), or Stephan Bonnar if he wants a Winner.

Machida needs to be fed someone.

Shogun needs a win. Beating Griffin earned him Hendo the first time. Those two rounds he won against Hendo don't earn a rematch so soon.

Hendo expected Shogun to take 2 rounds. It wasn't a close fight.

Before we talk about Shogun/Jones II, Rua has to face a tough LHW.

I don't know what Bader's game plan would be. The past is the past though. Cutting weight to 185 lbs obviously had a bad effect on Hendo.

Bader could face the winner of Gus vs Silva. However, if Gus finishes Silva in an awesome way, I might say put him against Hendo.

With a finish or stoppage of Silva, Gus is ready for the title shot.

As am I.

It has as to be Other. Mike Russow.
Dana White said that Cain vs Mir will go on.

Fedor is dust.
Overeem can have any excuse or defense.... but in the end, it is what it is.

What I mean is, regardless of anything A-eem can say, he tried to cheat against the champ. That is like taking a shot at Tupac. I would like to see Overeem get KOd in the Octagon though, so perhaps a ban isn't the best. Fire him for One year. Take his #1 contender status.

Dos Santos is real. He has strength that he earned, not that he bought. As he said himself in recent days, when you see him fight, that is really him in there.

Overeem isn't really in the octagon/Who we see in the octagon is not the real Overeem.

The whole supplement thing is bullshit. Eggs, rice, tuna, milk, steak, chicken, salad, spinach is what fighters should be 'taking'.

Even the low level supplements can do more harm than good.

Eem is a Bodybuilder, not a fighter..... and certainly not a UFC fighter.

First off can i say this fluff your avatar is disturbing ,who is that fat fuck and why. As for the fight i think hunt could fill in but his power and toughness will be hindered by lack of speed . JDS is srong and fast with much more skill ,and he should be able to ko himover the 5 and for sure get a nod on the cards . As for werdum he's also a good fit he has size and power but i think JDS also will finish him .I like JDS alot but still can't understand how a thumb to the side of cains head dropped him ,Jmo but it wasn't that clean a shot but it got it done. There heavys anything can happen we will see, whoever it is will have a hard road against the champ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_90 Deja Vu?

Bas Rutten proved that the side or top of the hand/glove actually lands a harder hit than the the front of the fist (the index and middle fingers). Look at Rua's KO of Liddell. Liddell may have walked into a jab in his final bout with Franklin, but Rua hit him with a very hard shot that wasn't "clean", apparently, since it didn't use the front of the fist, and it KOd him with a chin shot.

Dos Santos stunned the champ with a temple shot due to a strike in the nerve dense area behind the ear and around the temple. It is the same that Rua KOd Machida with.

I watched the strike many times and it was hard.... and good. Why would you want the fight to have been any different? It was a perfect bout.

It was the opposite of a chin strike KO which snaps the neck and causes the brain to hit the inside of the skull and causes loss of consciousness. The temple shot KO is not always an out cold stoppage, though it can be.

Cain was not out at first after the temple strike, just stunned. A shot on the ground put him out cold just like in Machida/Rua II.

Dan Henderson vs Dos Santos
http://rp2.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/04/09/12/mir-hendo-willing-take-overeems-place

I hear ya al it was a clean shot ,ijust exspected the heavys tobe able to take more at that level. No doubt jds earned it, bas was an animale with the open palm strikes. I wouldn't change the fight iam in JDS corner love the guy .

What is the UFC waiting on? Are they hoping somehow Overeem is cleared and gets his license? Are they reaching out to a FA fighter? I'm just not sure what the hold-up is all about. If JDS is still going to fight, he probably would like to know who he is fighting sooner rather than later.

Remember how people were saying that Guida vs Henderson should have been on FOX instead of the HW title fight?

The Hand of God Glacier- KOing MMA Cheaters everywhere with a Bas-palm strike!

That's funny. Awesome picture. But the Bas palm strike only works on cheaters that don't sell PPVs.

This is what happens to your face if you pump up on T and fight Anderson Silva. I like showing this picture just to show that the Sonnen Silva fight wasn't 100% Sonnen kicking ass. I won't argue he was winning the fight and put a ton of pressure on Silva....but to hear Sonnen fans talk, you would think Anderson never touched him until the triangle choke ended it.

To me, that is just a picture of any random fighter coming out of the octagon.

During the recent Melendez SF title fight, the commentator wanted to give points to the champ's opponent due to superficial "damage" being done to Melendez's face. Pat Militich, also commentating on the fight for Showtime, would not stand for that kind of talk and insisted that the champ won all 5 rounds and that marks on a fighter's face mean nothing except that his skin damages easily.

Silva doesn't take facial 'damage' like Sonnen and other fighters do. In order for me to see it, you had to point out the 'damage' in that Sonnen pic since I never noticed it before.
Sonnen, or any other fighter, can kick ass but still sustain cuts and bruises to his own body. All that matters is that Chael never gets KOd. Silva had one KO loss, but it was in boxing so it doesn't count as an 'MMA KO'.

Drawing blood does not score points. If 'blood' is your gameplan, then you have to go all out and create a necessary doctor's stoppage due to 'blood loss' and/or dangerous injury.

Chael never gets KOd because he is busy getting submitted

Chael never gets KOd because he is busy getting submitted

....then he should do something about that. What you say is true it is how matchmaking works.
In Sonnen's comeback bout, they put him against someone who was looking to strike him (the former WEC 205 lb champ) and Chael submitted him.

In the next fight, against Bisping, they again put him against a striker and [the UFC] figured they would settle it entirely with fists. Joe Silva knows how a bout will theoretically go and is usually spot on.

Obviously they now pit Sonnen against someone who will submit him unless perhaps Sonnen takes Anderson Silva out early like how he did against Stann. The Bisping bout didn't showcase a championship level game plan, but of course that could have been from the head-shot that Sonnen says rocked him. Hard shots can make fighters forget what they are doing... and thus instinct takes over.

There are many MMA fights where the guys have no idea what is going on except that they are in a fight (i.e. Edgar not remembering the 1st round of his first title fight with Maynard). Btw, I think that this shows what kind of warriors they are. Those who aren't champs will quit and give up like Gonzaga did in his title fight with Couture.

Does Chael go with the game plan of trying to take 4 rounds and simply let Silva have the final round?

Edit: Winning 3 rounds with a 10-9 score won't get Sonnen the victory.

I am watching Bellator and the announcer described that for there to be a 10-8 round, the dominant fighter must be on the verge of finishing his/her opponent.

Sonnen would need a 10-8 round if he wants a decision win.

They described one of tonight's Bellator competitors, Corey Mark, as one of those fighters who has 'delicate' skin that bruises, cuts, and bleeds easily. It isn't real damage though. After just the first round, it looked "like he got beat up", but he was still in the bout.

In the Dos Santos vs Carwin bout, one judge marked down a 10-8 round since Carwin did suffer real damage that was not just superficial.

10-8 rounds seem to be becoming a rare thing. I've seen a few fights recently that a thought a 10-8 round may have been awarded but were not. I can't think of any examples right now, but chances are there will be some decisions timorous on Fuel. I don't think MMA judges have ever heard of a 10-7 round. Frankie/Maynard could easily have been scored 10-7 imo

Recently Nate Diaz said he thought scoring was based on damage. I've never really viewed that way.

Nate did real damage to Cowboy beyond just cuts and scrapes, but he didn't come close to finishing him and Cerrone came back with the sweep kicks to put Diaz on his butt. He even landed a head kick.

It was FOTN. One judge gave Cerrone a single round....but the other two judges didn't award Cowboy points for those kicks. ????

Dos Santos didn't get the 10-8 round because he broke Carwin's nose per se, but rather because the accuracy and power of the strikes thrown and landed. It is all about the dominant fighter even though his points don't go up [winner gets 10, opponent gets 9 or less]. They take points away from the damaged fighter due to the round winner's skill/performance.

Scoring is based on Take Downs first and foremost. If a round is dead even until the last 15 seconds, one fighter usually goes for the takedown in the final seconds..... sometimes it steals him the round if he ends in a dominant position.

However, there aren't always takedowns, and some fighters only stand up.

Diaz is correct. For him, he has his own way of scoring points. It won't help Nate Diaz to change his game plan in an attempt to please some judges who may score entirely based on wrestling standards. The easiest way to lose a fight is to let the other guy set the tempo.
Edgar/Maynard had no 10-7 rounds because Frank gets the 8 points for not only surviving the round... but for actually recovering. A 7 point round would be one where the dominant fighter was in full mount or back mount and was taking delivering shots to the head and body for 4 minutes. I actually did see a fight highlight like that last week on Inside MMA with Bas Rutten. The guy sustaining the punishment was virtually TKO'd at the end of the round when the bell sounded and the ref came in and stood the guy up. The guy that was TKO'd went on to win in the next round.

A fight should be stopped at that point though....

I thought that Frankie Maynard round one was 10-7 but you make a good point in saying Frankie recovered and got his point back.

If a guy scores a takedown but his opponent gets right back up, should that be considered a wash? I think it should, but I'm not sure judges see it that way. Same thing with submission attempts. If a guy tries several subs but is unsuccessful should he still receive credit, or do you award the fighter defending all the sub attempts?

Don't forget fights start at 3 PMEST today on Fuel.

I'm excited to see this Afghanny dude fight. On the main card for his UFC debut. That usually means he can bring it

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If Maynard got a 10-8 round and the bout was a draw, does that mean Edgar also got a 10-8 round to even the score out? If that was the case, it would seem to be an instance of Spirit of the Law where they gave the champ the advantage. If the judging was more logical, the judges would need to follow the Letter of the Law.... just like cops sometimes do and sometimes don't.

One judge gave one round to Thiago Silva today, just like in the Diaz/Cerrone bout.

Submission attempts is a statistic, as are takedown attempts. If takedown attempts are not given points, then submission attempts should not be.

Flash takedowns all depend on the individual circumstance. The purpose of the takedown is to control the location of the fight. If you can slam an opponent or use a Judo throw, I think it still scores as a takedown even though the person may get right back up. If you can exhibit skill, rather than just get a lucky takedown (the guy slips on the mat), it counts for full credit.

Only caught the Main event .... have the rest waiting on DVR.

I thought it was a damn good show. Of course there was the one WTF judging score though. The Diabate fight. That fight was a 29-28 fight if there ever was one. One judge scored 28-28. I guess one judge scored the first round 10-8. Diabate was never in danger. He wasn't hit with big shots. He was doing a nice job on his back playing defense. The fighter on top did almost nothing and was given a 10-8 round? The scoring is so inconsistent.

Any of you boys watching tuf brazil , some real good stuff over there .The boys are clowns in the house , and fight hard . Episode 4 the fight was a 3 round slugfest ,some tough boys over there .