Obamanomics Update - Only 120,000 Jobs Added In March

1) No stimulus
2) No Obamacare
3) No FICA giveaway for the last 2 years to anyone (was part of ARA, but I just wanted to reiterate that this was a complete waste)
4) No extension of any UI for more than standard... there are plenty of jobs that people would rather not do, but fuck 'em, no free lunches
5) Complete reform of tax code so that the decision on the bush tax cuts is irrelevant... Simpson-Bowles would have been a great start... you remember... Obama's committee that he ignored because he didn't like their findings...

I could go on but this would have given America a nice steady baseline that doesn't demonize businesses or introduce grand new taxes so that we could invest with certainty.

That would have gone over well ! So it didn't happen and you are stuck paying for the prevention of a Depression instead ! Have a nice day!

the problem you have with raising taxes is the money isn't used to offset the deficit, but instead used to increase it with the expansion of new and existing programs that are not sustainable...we're creating more government parasites

What insight ! Do you have a link proving that ? Guess you don't as usual ! Shame you are so pessimistic !

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember you mentioning not long ago that " you " on some level :

A) Worked for the government and got paid from tax payer dollars

B) couldn't spend it as fast as they were throwing it at you and there were literally thousands of you out there enjoying this " free easy ride " after 911 .

Just curious .

B is correct, they threw money in all directions without appropriate oversight. It wasn't a "free easy ride" , spending money is hard...a lot of paperwork, it's all dried up now

I think the stimulus was absolutely necessary but I don't think it was focused enough. More should have been spent on infrastructure but how you can sit there and have the words "no stimulus" come out of your mouth is absolutely incredible to me when we later found out that the Fed put out 15 TRILLION dollars of backstop loans to save the system from imploding and it very nearly did anyway.

I questioned what the actual ROI was by saving state jobs with Federal money, never found an answer, like most economic policies, most are theoretical and not hard science.

And stay with the old system that worked so well? I want single payer but I'll be happy with obama-care for now. Everyone needs to be paying into the system, one way or another. My policy costs 15,000 thousand a year and will I be giving up something with single payer? Perhaps, perhaps not but I'm not frightened of it, if I live to 65 I'm going to have government health care anyway.

A republican saying a tax cut was bad, very refreshing...

Oopsie, you're letting the poison out... So to the unemployed, of which there are millions upon millions, you say "fuck em" Very nice Blargy, it confirms what I think of most "conservatives"

The House did vote on a plan modeled after Simpson-Bowles, so why do you have to lie?

It went down, 382-38... Oopsie. The left want no cuts to social programs and republicans insist on cutting taxes. No dealeo...

You really are a dupe. Do you think there are people out there who actually feel demonized because they want to start a business and be a real job creator? Are you out of your fucking mind?

And let me ask you, which grand new tax did Obama pass? Are we going to go back to Obama Care? Obama care attempts to legitimize the revenue streams that pay for health care by making sure all pay into the system, instead of just those with private health insurance and the tax-payer through medicaid, like we do now, what is not fair about that. Republicans are fucking stoopid because you are against the mandate that requires an individual to kick-in to pay for something that all tax-payers are already shouldering the burden for and to what end? So that individual could avoid paying his share and laugh at the rest of us that do pay? What happened to individual responsibility? Oh the republicans don't care about it now because there is a democrat in the white house, when they wrote the fucking plan it was fair, but now it a grand new tax.

Kiss my fucking ass...

If the stimulus proved anything, it is that economic stimulus doesn't work. Friedman's permanent income theory hypothesized as much, but you can't make people spend when they know their income is short term. Best to wait out the storm.

Instead, the stimulus was simply wasteful spending. We could have just opened briefcases of cash and let the wind blow it with more worthwhile effects. Less government intervention would have far better results, in that the results would have been the same, but we'd be less in debt.

The notion that any change from the old system is a good change is so flawed it is hard to know where to begin. As I've said in other threads, I don't believe that healthcare is a fundamental right of the people. It needs to be earned, or else people can deal with simple emergency care if warranted.

Obamacare hasn't even begun yet. Wait and see when employers start dropping plans that Americans were told they could keep.

Liberals think that Obamacare is paid for... it's KNOWN costs today are... with taxes that many haven't started paying yet... wait for the mutiny when this all goes down. Actually, I hope the SCOTUS ends it before it begins.

If we're being honest, we all know that some taxes need to be paid, and since people will be collecting medicare and social security, fica/oasdi should be paid into. Plus, as we know, stimulus and short term income don't actually alter our economic path anyway.

I say fuck 'em because I've seen and still see too many who pass up employment because they prefer income from UI. I see no point in droppin' loads of checks on these people who are totally capable of working. I further disagree when I read that skill sets don't match those who are unemployed... if they don't have skills, they can be manual laborers. There is no shame in that, but too many are taught that there is.

Hee hee hee, I said "droppin' loads".

Ok, you're just distorting the truth; it got voted down over a year after it was written and ignored by Obama. And at this point the Ryan plan looks more viable. Republicans no longer want half a loaf, and Democrats won't make any concessions in an election year. So, of course it went down.

When people don't start businesses, it is because they don't believe they can make money doing it. This is the economic climate we have. Embrace it because it is what Obama hath brought.

Obamacare. You have a bill that passes on 9xx billion in taxes to cover 7xx billion in spending. Surely you didn't think it was all free?

I don't believe that individuals should be forced to pay in and get insurance.
This is the definition of individual responsibility. Go out and work and buy insurance. /story

add the cost of childcare in order to go to work, I don't blame a lot of them that just stay on unemployment

We disincentivize work so much I don't blame them either. Perhaps if they knew there was no free lunch then they might think twice about having those children in the first place.

Dried up? Like your wife ?

Good thing you haven't procreated !

And here again you ignore the fact there was a 16 trillion dollar stimulus and still say the stimulus didn't work. Hello? How can you say it didn't work when the economy could have and in all likely-hood would have imploded without that money being pumped in.

What you are doing is like describing the Japanese Tsunami as a light shower. Your premise is completely illogical and has no basis in fact. You can not ignore a stimulus of that magnitude and say it had no effect, even if there was no noticeable effect to you, it did not take place in a vacuum, at the minimum the effect was keeping the financial system from complete disaster.

Your heart isn't in this. You just pull lies out of thin air and let your opinions over-ride facts. Your opinion is the stimulus was wasteful spending, the many thousands of state employees who were kept on the state payroll and off the unemployment rolls would probably beg to differ and at least they helped manage to keep the economy afloat and moving forward.

Every quarter since the stimulus, we've seen growth, not fast enough for Rush Limbaugh, not as fast as we would all hope to see but there have been plenty of positive things going on, and one was Obama, proving himself to be a steadfast leader in the face of the most daunting financial crisis since the great depression. Here is my opinion, the stimulus did help, it did not hurt, I wish they shoved more infrastructure projects in there but nothing is perfect and it had its intended effect.

That is a deflection. Start with your top five reasons, hell start with your top three reasons...

And again, this "simple emergency room care" is a figment of your imagination. Some people without insurance do get treated in the ER but people without insurance are also on dialysis, get treated in the operating room and have physical therapy and prescription drugs. Then all the tax payers chip in and pay if they qualify for medicaid, if not they claim bankruptcy and all the people with insurance pay, either way, they get treated, (JUST AS IF HEALTH CARE WERE A HUMAN RIGHT) and someone else pays...

But according to you, that is the best way, the old way, people should pull up their bootstraps and earn their insurance! Do you realize how retarded you sound?

That's right, it hasn't even started so lets see what happens. There is bigger things in play here, we are the only industrialized nation where healthcare is a employer provided benefit. The entire model sucks ass.

Again, we are already paying, one way or the other. Its time to make it cost-effective and efficient, Not stick to a flawed, inefficient and wasteful model.

The extra money didn't hurt but I agree, it was not necessary.

I don't believe you have seen anyone or still see too many people who pass on a job to collect the shit unemployment benefit. Where do you see these people and how many have you interviewed?

I'm not distorting a thing, you're the one that mentioned it and Obama doesn't pass the laws Blargy, you do know how a bill works, don't you?

And the Ryan plan isn't going anywhere, its also a political gimmick. And please don't try and tell me republicans are being forthcoming and honest when the assholes are holding out for more tax-cuts!

No dummy, that is because the economy exploded under George W Bush and it is slowly coming back around but thanks for admitting that no one actually feels demonized for going into business. That was a completely partisan talking point.

I pay now, I will pay in the future. Those that don't pay now, will pay in the future.

Sounds good to me, where do I sign!

Because you are a duped fool. The natural progression of your belief is the same old, same old, people getting treated for free and letting someone else hold the bag.

Hmmm, Hey Blargy, how many times have you been to the ER lately, you seem to have a vested interest in letting people continue to fuck over the system?

There was never an issue in regards to getting health insurance for the uninsured - the people who are truly unable to access health insurance due to lack of funds have medicaid at their disposal.

The issue is the Federal mandate and whether it is constitutional.

No deal - the Presidency and the issues each President faces do not exist in a vacuum - they don't get to start with a blank slate and therefore the policies of the prior President is something that the next one has to deal with. For example, it is a fact that Obama inherited a recession from the Bush Administration that he had to deal with - the problem is that his policies have made the whole situation worse.

With a Democrat super-majority in the Senate and House - unlikely.

As I have stated repeatedly, my choice was Rick Perry but he is no longer running. I am going by the Buckley Rule - google it.

You can call them a "blight" all day long, but the truth of the matter is that we would not have had and continue to have debates over the deficit and the debt if it weren't for the Tea Party caucus in the House.

As for the "GOP attack on women" nonsense - that is a fiction drummed up by the Democrats being used to distract from the economy. Hey, if I were President facing re-election and unemployment remained over 8% I'd probably want to talk about birth control and other nonsense issues as well.

I'll take that "disaster" over trigger happy presidents who commit troops to wars of choice any day.

So why do you whine anytime your precious Lord, and Savior is mentioned?

While Obama's policies didn't help much, how did he make things worse? And remember, your messiah Cheney taught you that deficits don't matter. Or does that only apply when there's a Republican sitting in the Oval Office?

If it's no deal, than your precious Bush is fair game.

Yeah, party first no matter what. Like I said, kool-aid all the way.

Fiction? You're nuts. You are the one that should use google and look up what a lot of State level GOP legislators are doing across the nation right now. The GOP attack on women has a lot more to do with working against giving women access to needed medicine. Wisconsin just repealed an anti-discrimination against women in the work force law. Georgia is passing an "anti-abortion" law that will force women that lose their pregnancy after 20 weeks to keep the dead fetus inside of them until their body births it out because somehow keeping a dead fetus inside of a women protects life. That is just mental torture for no reason, pure mean spirited bitter attack on women already going through a very hard emotional experience. Those are just 2 examples. Various other States have GOP legislators trying to force women to get probed unnecessarily in an attempt to bully and intimidate them out of getting an abortion, a choice the Supreme Court said its theirs to make. If you think this real attack on women isn't going to hurt the GOP nationally this year, you are kidding yourself.

The problem you and ilk have is the stock market.

Please explain specially what Obama has done to make the stock market worse...

There are two things going on in the economy right now, the one most responsible for the low-GDP we are seeing is simply global restructuring. Everyone wanted globalization and everyone who knew what they were talking about said this would happen.The other is the lingering Bush housing disaster that nearly cratered the entire economic structure of the world.

But since both republicans and democrats are chained to the deck of the Titanic aka Globalization, we don't hear it mentioned too often.

As China's GDP goes up and we continue to ship millions of manufacturing jobs to them, exactly what in hell do you think going to happen to GDP in our country?

The natural flip-side is a soaring stock-market, as the multinationals enjoy the profit from low-labor.

Neither of these phenomena are products of Barack Obama, they merely represent the rough waters he has had to navigate through.

http://www.epi.org/publication/everybody_wins_except_for_most_of_us/

the stock market is tanking as we speak due to the uncertainty of the jobs market

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/smallbusiness/1203/gallery.employees/jump.html

There's nothing there zimmie and for Christ's sake, they haven't even rung the fucking bell yet!