Question for the liberals on oil prices

no marc i am asking you for details on how you plan to do this
thats what i am asking for

ok we are back to here again
switch out the word big oil to apple
i mean computers are kinda essential
just trying to get a small peep into your head here

You laugh at this but when the CBO changes their "projections" on Obamacare, your ALL over it right?

How many people have cars and don't have a computer ?

How many cars and Trucks are their in this country ?

Worlds different. Uncited "experts" (I'm giving Ming the benefit of the doubt that they exist, which I probably shouldn't) that claim a commodity will rise in price is far different than the CBO using data given to estimate the effect a law will have on our budget.

If you just thought a little more before you posted, you wouldn't seem so dumb on here.

Did I ever say I was an expert in the field of nationalizing natural resources? What I told you is there are plenty of examples of how its done, as only 7 percent of the world's oil is given to multinational corporations. Saudi Arabia has nationalized oil and it works very well for them, in fact most of their people sit on their ass all day and like to pay Filipino's to clean their houses and then sexually abuse them at night.

Sounds like fun to me!

No they're not.
But, to humor you, let's say they are "kinda essential." If you do not have one in the home, you can easily get access to one at any public library.....or even at a friend's house.
To compare Apple products to fuel is silly and you know it. You're trying (and failing) to make a point by comparing a nonessential piece of equipment to a necessity.
There is not a thing wrong with subsidizing the cost of fuel. The government has been subsidizing produce, agricultural and farm products for decades.

That's correct and many oil-producing-nations subsidize their fuel. Imagine if our government was able to subsidize the cost of fuel from increased revenues that nationalization would bring, then this consumer driven economy might start to pop.

Pun intended.

Maybe if you didn't parrot so much, you wouldn't seem so dumb on here .

Right wing paranoia kicks in at any mention of subsidizing or nationalizing.
"Socialism," or "communism" becomes a part of any catchphrase tossed around by the political right.
Yet, every society has elements of socialism in it. Ours is no exception: subsidizing farm products, Medicare, Medicaid, health care, senior benefits, etc.
Adding oil and petrolium products could just as easily be justified and, once implemented, would be gladly accepted by all - both on the right and on the left.

....and then they came for me....

Oh I get it now. When they suit your views, projections are dead on. When they don't, you laugh at them . Thanks for clearing that up hack.
BTW being called dumb by a hack like you is a compliment, thanks!

i never said you were an expert
i want to know how you think our government can go about taking over oil
i mean the whole thing from rigging companies to pipe fitters etc
i just dont see how it is possible
not trying to put you on the defensive

i guess you dont have have kids
my kids could bike to school with no gas
they have to have a computer
wasnt that way when i was in grade school
but it is now
and if you want to use necessities should the gov take over all the farms and dairies

Are you telling me that you don't know the difference between the CBO and county fair fortune tellers?

Wow. Just wow.

No I'm saying when the CBO rated Obamacare cost neutral, according to you they didn't know what they were talking about. Then they change their projections to fit your view, and all of a sudden they are right on the money. Which is it?

I answered you more than once but I guess my answer doesn't fit the meme in your head, so you pretend it wasn't offered.

Once more, 7 percent of the world's oil is NOT nationalized. If you are marching to the beat of that corporatist drum that states when oil is nationalized, all incentive to get it is gone, you better think about how the other 93 percent of the world's oil is processed.

There doesn't seem to be a problem with nationalization at all, otherwise we would not even have oil. Nationalization is not "taking over" oil, it is merely claiming it as a natural resource and retaining ownership of it further into the market process where eventually it would be sold.

The benefits are increased revenue for our government and lower oil prices for us. It is a win-win but the big oil companies who make billions of profits will naturally warn us of dire consequences if their obscene profit model is disturbed, they warn they will take their toys, go home, and not play. Let them, we'll have Chinese drill teams in here next week, ready to drill and refine our oil for us at a reasonably profit for them and a great benefit for us.

Stop believing the propaganda that has been put into your head.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization_of_oil_supplies

The CBO scores accurately according to data they are given. Unfortunately with Obamacare, the lawmakers who submitted the info were able to do so by Unrealistically ignoring realities like the doc fix and other spending which hadn't technically by law been spent. This is a chasm of disingenuousity because we all know and knew it was getting spent, but the CBO can't score on what is obviously going to get passed in the future.

Also, the CBO scores 10 years out. When you pay for 6 years of program in 10 years and the program is backloaded, every year after the first has a higher cost than the last for the subsequent decade

This is how you take a nonpartisan organization and get talking point ready crap out as Obama did.

The gas to computer comparison is irrelevant and silly......and you damned well know it. Again, they can access a computer after school or at the public library. And, seeing as you seem to have kids who need a computer, I assume you have provided one. If so, you realize the cost of a computer is relatively inexpensive and is a one time purchase. Fuel is consumed and purchased over and over throughout the course of your life either for transportation, heat or equipment usage. The two are hardly comparable.
But, regarding farms and dairies: the government already subsidizes the porducts from farms and dairies. There was also a time (it may still be going on) when the government would pay farms to NOT grow certain crops because of an overabundance on the market that was causing spoilage.

dude i seriously dont get the attitude you are throwing out here
i ave been asking you to tell me how the gov can take oil
after the fact the private sector has spent trillions in finding and processing it
not to mention the 1000a of companies that feed and feed off the oil business
how do we go about making them all whole
i am not looking for a stupid sfn war
i am asking how you think we could go about this and not screw people like wildcaters and such

between laptops desk comps and stupid droid phones my gas and comp bills are probably closer than i want to know
yes farms (some )have been subsidized and yes some big commercial farms have been paid not to plant some crops
but most farms are not this way
i will ask you the same as marc (and i am not looking for a stupid name calling war)
how could the gov nationalize farms and not end screwing people and continue to be as efficient as farmers
thanks for your time in advance

Why wait ? I'll give you a ride !

I don't consider what the government does to farms and ranches "nationalization." The government subsidizes them in order to keep the purchase price of the products reasonably low. For instance, an apple (without subsidizing) would cost, by some estimates, $10. This is also the reason so many people turn a blind eye to illegal migrant farm workers.
But, that aside, we all know the insane profits oil companies make and, by comparison, pay a very low tax rate, if at all. So, if the government closes up the loopholes and starts taxing oil companies more, then uses that revenue to lower the cost of fuel to the consumer, that would be a reasonable solution without actually "nationalizing" the industry.

Brazil last nationalized its oil in the late 60's. Again, go look at what they did. That's the third time I advised you to follow the predominant model of the globe and that is one of nationalization.

There are ways to phase in nationalization so oil companies don't lose investments on exploration. The big four oil companies are multinational, they do work for countries with nationalized oil, they already know the drill. Pun intended.

Its worse than that, its corpritization of the farm system and that is far more dangerous.

We need diversity in the food chain. Bring back the family farm and support local food.