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Rove Cleared

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Topper Grace, Jul 15, 2005.

  1. Topper Grace Full Member

    Rove Learned CIA Agent's Name From Novak
    Wilson: Wife not a clandenstine officer


    Jul 15, 8:09 AM (ET)
    By JOHN SOLOMON

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Chief presidential adviser Karl Rove testified to a grand jury that he talked with two journalists before they divulged the identity of an undercover CIA officer but that he originally learned about the operative from the news media and not government sources, according to a person briefed on the testimony.

    Rove testified that Novak told him he planned to report in a weekend column that Plame had worked for the CIA, and the circumstances on how her husband traveled to Africa to check bogus claims that Iraq was trying to buy nuclear materials in Niger, according to the source.

    But at the same time, Wilson acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified her. "My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity," he said.

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050715/D8BBQEVO0.html

    What a difference a day makes :D
  2. Turd_Cutter Full Member

    What a difference a few hours makes. The AP has issued a correction to the piece.

    "The Associated Press distorted a remark by former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV to falsely report that Wilson "acknowledged his wife [Plame] was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified her." In fact, Wilson merely emphasized that his wife's cover was blown at the moment when columnist Robert D. Novak revealed her identity in a July 2003 column.

    Note: After this item was written, but before it was posted, the AP corrected its error. New versions of the article read:

    In an interview on CNN earlier Thursday before the latest revelation, Wilson kept up his criticism of the White House, saying Rove's conduct was an "outrageous abuse of power ... certainly worthy of frog-marching out of the White House."

    Wilson also said "my wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity."
    In an interview Friday, Wilson said his comment was meant to reflect that his wife lost her ability to be a covert agent because of the leak, not that she had stopped working for the CIA beforehand.

    Though the AP ran a correction, other news outlets had already repeated its mistake. CNN's Ed Henry told viewers that "Wilson himself suggested that she was not undercover." The Drudge Report link to the AP story suggested the same thing, and numerous other news outlets picked up the AP article.
  3. Monster_Zero

    Monster_Zero SFN Gold Supporter

    So are Republicans going to cheer in the streets over this travesty, like the bleaks did following the Simpson verdict? :)
  4. Turd_Cutter Full Member

    Read my revised post. The AP has issued a correction. Wilson never said his wife was no longer under-cover, only that she was no longer undercover once her cover was blown. Rove is not in the clear.
  5. Topper Grace Full Member

    Valerie Plame Outed as CIA Agent Long Before Novak Column

    Saturday, Oct. 11, 2003 10:48 p.m. EDT

    Valerie Plame, wife of Leakgate accuser Joseph Wilson, was outed as a CIA agent at least nine years before conservative columnist Robert Novak supposedly blew her cover three months ago in his column.

    "The C.I.A. suspected that Aldrich Ames had given Mrs. Wilson's name (along with those of other spies) to the Russians before his espionage arrest in 1994," revealed the New York Times on Saturday.

    In a column revealing the critical information for the first time since the Leakgate scandal exploded two weeks ago, Times columnist Nicholas Kristof explained that the Ames tip compromised Valerie Plame's undercover secrecy so thoroughly that "she was brought back to Washington for safety reasons."

    At the time, he noted, Mrs. Wilson "was already in transition away from undercover work to management, and to liaison roles with other intelligence agencies. So this year, even before she was outed, she was moving away from 'noc' – which means non-official cover."

    What's more, said the Times writer, Mrs. Wilson's intelligence connections became known a bit in Washington as she rose in the CIA - an assessment that stands in marked contrast to Mr. Wilson's portrayal of his wife's identity as being so secret that she was endangered when Novak revealed her name.

    Concludes Kristof:

    "All in all, I think the Democrats are engaging in hyperbole when they describe the White House as having put Mrs. Wilson's life in danger and destroyed her career; her days skulking along the back alleys of cities like Beirut and Algiers were already mostly over."

    Super duper secret agent spy, Vanity Fair
    [IMG]
  6. Topper Grace Full Member

    It's still not too late to reprise Gitmo for '06.
  7. Jack Shit

    Jack Shit Closed by User

    :rolleyes:

    Rove hasn't been cleared of Jack Shit.

    The story that Rove supposedly never gave Valerie Plame's name to Novak, but rather that Novak mentioned Plame was CIA and Rove said "yeah I heard that too," is bullshit.

    Novak, in an interview just after he leaked Plame's name in print, said his sources had come to him with the information. "I didn't dig it out, it was given to me," he said. "They thought it was significant, they gave me the name and I used it."

    That does not jibe with Rove's anonymous buddy telling the NYT that it was Novak who first brought up Plame as CIA and NOT Rove.

    So who's lying - Novak or Rove?

    Indictments forthingcoming, douchebag. :hw:
  8. Jack Shit

    Jack Shit Closed by User

    Re: Re: Rove Cleared

    [IMG]

    AP Poll 7/15 = How Low Can You Go?
  9. Topper Grace Full Member

    The plot thickens.

    With all the new information coming out, the most important question of all still remains: Just who is Judith Miller and the New York Times protecting? A liberal rotting in jail for Karl Rove?

    Who Exposed Secret Agent Plame?
    July 15, 2005

    "So if Novak did not reveal that Valerie Plame was a secret agent, who did? The evidence strongly suggests it was none other than Joe Wilson himself."

    http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may200507150827.asp
  10. Jack Shit

    Jack Shit Closed by User

    Oh just stop. :barf:

    FWIW, Judith Miller is nothing but a Bush admin. mouthpiece, loathed by the left for trumpeting the Reichpublican Party line about Iraqi WMD, despite working for that liberal bastion, The NY Times.
  11. Dubya is a Dick Full Member

    hmmm National Review.. shit they just last issue were defending nazi's saying they were just following orders...
  12. bjstet Full Member

    ha ha. . . good news republicans.... a secret source (rove's lawyer) says rove did nothing wrong.....don't worry it's all just a liberal prosecutor overstepping his bounds. :eek:
  13. Turd_Cutter Full Member

    McKLellan said Rove had absolutely nothing to do with the Novak/Plame debacle but Rove's own lawyer said that wasn't true - the first of many lies coming down the pike about the scandal from this administration. Bush and his gang don't hold themselves accountable for anything so my guess is McKlellan will continue his embarrassing little dance at press conferences, the right wing spin machine will kick into overdrive and Rove will just pray that Bush's judicial nominations will pull the heat off of him. :eek:
  14. kali

    kali Closed by User

    just for laughs lets say that's "true", what about all her contacts???

    once someone is outed as a "spy", everyone they ever talked to is suspect. and in danger.

    isn't that one of the reasons disclosing a covert opperative is considered TREASONOUS?
  15. darth kered Full Member

    ya know, i'm just a stupid conserative, but why would a super secret spy be using her real name when working undercover?

    it seems to me that a secret agent would also have a secret identity set up for them by the CIA. fake name, fake work history, fake job, fake everything so even if their real name was leaked, everyone they dealt with would have no way of connecting their real name with their CIA cover secret agent name.(unless of course she did a photo shoot with vanity fair, hung out with bill clinton and did public book signings with her husband.)

    but what do i know, i'm just a stupid conserative. :rolleyes:
  16. Topper Grace Full Member

    C'mon, guy....it's the glasses. Everybody knows that. Like Clark Kent and Superman. They make all the difference in the world.

    [IMG]
  17. Topper Grace Full Member

    Well, the deal is practically sealed now.

    Rove E-Mailed Security Official About Talk
    Jul 15, 10:57 PM (ET)

    WASHINGTON (AP) - After mentioning a CIA operative to a reporter, Bush confidant Karl Rove alerted the president's No. 2 security adviser about the interview and said he tried to steer the journalist away from allegations the operative's husband was making about faulty Iraq intelligence.

    The July 11, 2003, e-mail between Rove and then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley is the first showing an intelligence official knew Rove had talked to Matthew Cooper

    I didn't take the bait," Rove wrote in an e-mail obtained by The Associated Press

    The White House turned the e-mail over to prosecutors, and Rove testified to a grand jury about it last year"
    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050716/D8BC7F500.html

    So not only did Rove play by the books, but he went above and beyond by immediately alerting the intelligence community of the reporters info and the telephone call. He didn't take the bait (NYT, Time, Wilson conspiracy?)
  18. Dubya is a Dick Full Member

    By David Johnston and Richard W. Stevenson / New York Times

    WASHINGTON, July 14 - Karl Rove, the White House senior adviser, spoke with the columnist Robert D. Novak as he was preparing an article in July 2003 that identified a C.I.A. officer who was undercover, someone who has been officially briefed on the matter said.

    Mr. Rove has told investigators that he learned from the columnist the name of the C.I.A. officer, who was referred to by her maiden name, Valerie Plame, and the circumstances in which her husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, traveled to Africa to investigate possible uranium sales to Iraq, the person said.

    After hearing Mr. Novak's account, the person who has been briefed on the matter said, Mr. Rove told the columnist: "I heard that, too."

    The previously undisclosed telephone conversation, which took place on July 8, 2003, was initiated by Mr. Novak, the person who has been briefed on the matter said.

    Six days later, Mr. Novak's syndicated column reported that two senior administration officials had told him that Mr. Wilson's "wife had suggested sending him" to Africa. That column was the first instance in which Ms. Wilson was publicly identified as a C.I.A. operative.

    The column provoked angry demands for an investigation into who disclosed Ms. Wilson's name to Mr. Novak. The Justice Department appointed Patrick J. Fitzgerald, a top federal prosecutor in Chicago, to lead the inquiry. Mr. Rove said in an interview with CNN last year that he did not know the C.I.A. officer's name and did not leak it.

    The person who provided the information about Mr. Rove's conversation with Mr. Novak declined to be identified, citing requests by Mr. Fitzgerald that no one discuss the case. The person discussed the matter in the belief that Mr. Rove was truthful in saying that he had not disclosed Ms. Wilson's identity.

    On Oct. 1, 2003, Mr. Novak wrote another column in which he described calling two officials who were his sources for the earlier column. The first source, whose identity has not been revealed, provided the outlines of the story and was described by Mr. Novak as "no partisan gunslinger." Mr. Novak wrote that when he called a second official for confirmation, the source said, "Oh, you know about it."

    That second source was Mr. Rove, the person briefed on the matter said. Mr. Rove's account to investigators about what he told Mr. Novak was similar in its message although the White House adviser's recollection of the exact words was slightly different. Asked by investigators how he knew enough to leave Mr. Novak with the impression that his information was accurate, Mr. Rove said he had heard parts of the story from other journalists but had not heard Ms. Wilson's name.

    Robert D. Luskin, Mr. Rove's lawyer, said Thursday, "Any pertinent information has been provided to the prosecutor." Mr. Luskin has previously said prosecutors have advised Mr. Rove that he is not a target in the case, which means he is not likely to be charged with a crime.

    In a brief conversation on Thursday, Mr. Novak declined to discuss the matter. It is unclear if Mr. Novak has testified to the grand jury, and if he has whether his account is consistent with Mr. Rove's.

    The conversation between Mr. Novak and Mr. Rove seemed almost certain to intensify the question about whether one of Mr. Bush's closest political advisers played a role in what appeared to be an effort to undermine Mr. Wilson's credibility after he challenged the veracity of a key point in Mr. Bush's 2003 State of the Union speech, saying Saddam Hussein had sought nuclear fuel in Africa.

    The conversation with Mr. Novak took place three days before Mr. Rove spoke with Matthew Cooper, a Time magazine reporter, whose e-mail message about their brief talk reignited the issue. In the message, whose contents were reported by Newsweek this week, Mr. Cooper told his bureau chief that Mr. Rove had talked about Ms. Wilson, although not by name.

    After saying in 2003 that it was "ridiculous" to suggest that Mr. Rove had any role in the disclosure of Ms. Wilson's name, Scott McClellan, the White House press secretary, has refused in recent days to discuss any specifics of the case. But he has suggested that President Bush continues to support Mr. Rove. On Thursday Mr. Rove was at Mr. Bush's side on a trip to Indianapolis.

    As the political debate about Mr. Rove grows more heated, Mr. Fitzgerald is in what he has said are the final stages of his investigation into whether anyone at the White House violated a criminal statute that under certain circumstances makes it a crime for a government official to disclose the names of covert operatives like Ms. Wilson.

    The law requires that the official knowingly identify an officer serving in a covert position. The person who has been briefed on the matter said Mr. Rove neither knew Ms. Wilson's name nor that she was a covert officer.

    Mr. Fitzgerald has questioned a number of high-level administration officials. Mr. Rove has testified three times to the grand jury. I. Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, has also testified. So has former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell. The prosecutor also interviewed Mr. Bush, in his White House office, and Mr. Cheney, but they were not under oath.

    The disclosure of Mr. Rove's conversation with Mr. Novak raises a question the White House has never addressed: whether Mr. Rove ever discussed that conversation, or his exchange with Mr. Cooper, with the president. Mr. Bush has said several times that he wants all members of the White House staff to cooperate fully with Mr. Fitzgerald's investigation.

    In June 2004, at Sea Island, Ga., soon after Mr. Cheney met with investigators in the case, Mr. Bush was asked at a news conference whether "you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found" to have leaked the agent's name.

    "Yes," Mr. Bush said. "And that's up to the U.S. attorney to find the facts."

    Mr. Novak began his conversation with Mr. Rove by asking about the promotion of Frances Fragos Townsend, who had been a close aide to Janet Reno when she was attorney general, to a senior counterterrorism job at the White House, the person who was briefed on the matter said.

    Mr. Novak then turned to the subject of Ms. Wilson, identifying her by name, the person said. In an Op-Ed article for The New York Times on July 6, 2003, Mr. Wilson suggested that he had been sent to Niger because of Mr. Cheney's interest in the matter. But Mr. Novak told Mr. Rove he knew that Mr. Wilson had been sent at the urging of Ms. Wilson, the person who had been briefed on the matter said.

    Mr. Rove's allies have said that he did not call reporters with information about the case, rebutting the theory that the White House was actively seeking to intimidate or punish Mr. Wilson by harming his wife's career. They have also emphasized that Mr. Rove appeared not to know anything about Ms. Wilson other than that she worked at the C.I.A. and was married to Mr. Wilson.

    This is not the first time Mr. Rove has been linked to a leak reported by Mr. Novak. In 1992, Mr. Rove was fired from the Texas campaign to re-elect the first President Bush because of suspicions that he had leaked information to Mr. Novak about shortfalls in the Texas organization's fund-raising. Both Mr. Rove and Mr. Novak have denied that Mr. Rove had been the source.

    Mr. Novak's July 14, 2003, column was published against a backdrop in which White House officials were clearly agitated by Mr. Wilson's assertion, in his Op-Ed article, that the administration had "twisted" intelligence about the threat from Iraq.

    But the White House was also deeply concerned about Mr. Wilson's suggestion that he had gone to Africa to carry out a mission that originated with Mr. Cheney. At the time, Mr. Cheney's earlier statements about Iraq's banned weapons were coming under fire as it became clearer that the United States would find no stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons and that Mr. Hussein's nuclear program was not far advanced.

    Mr. Novak wrote that the decision to send Mr. Wilson "was made at a routinely low level" and was based on what later turned out to be fake documents that had come to the United States through Italy.

    Many aspects of Mr. Fitzgerald's investigation remain shrouded in secrecy. It is unclear who Mr. Novak's other source might be or how that source learned of Ms. Wilson's role as a C.I.A. official. By itself, the disclosure that Mr. Rove had spoken to a second journalist about Ms. Wilson may not necessarily have a bearing on his exposure to any criminal charge in the case.

    But it seems certain to add substantially to the political maelstrom that has engulfed the White House this week after the reports that Mr. Rove had discussed the matter with Mr. Cooper, the Time reporter.

    Mr. Cooper's e-mail message to his editors, in which he described his discussion with Mr. Rove, was among documents that were turned over by Time executives recently to comply with a subpoena from Mr. Fitzgerald. A reporter for The New York Times, Judith Miller, who never wrote about the Wilson case, refused to cooperate with the investigation and was jailed last week for contempt of court. In addition to focusing new attention on Mr. Rove and whether he can survive the political fallout, it is sure to create new partisan pressure on Mr. Bush. Already, Democrats have been pressing the president either to live up to his promises to rid his administration of anyone found to have leaked the name of a covert operative or to explain why he does not believe Mr. Rove's actions subject him to dismissal.

    The Rove-Novak exchange also leaves Mr. McClellan, the White House spokesman, in an increasingly awkward situation. Two years ago he repeatedly assured reporters that neither Mr. Rove nor several other administration officials were responsible for the leak.

    The case has also threatened to become a distraction as Mr. Bush struggles to keep his second-term agenda on track and as he prepares for one of the most pivotal battles of his presidency, over the confirmation of a Supreme Court justice.

    As Democrats have been demanding that Mr. Rove resign or provide a public explanation, the political machine that Mr. Rove built to bolster Mr. Bush and advance his agenda has cranked up to defend its creator. The Republican National Committee has mounted an aggressive campaign to cast Mr. Rove as blameless and to paint the matter as a partisan dispute driven not by legality, ethics or national security concerns, but by a penchant among Democrats to resort to harsh personal attacks.

    But Mr. Bush said Wednesday that he would not prejudge Mr. Rove's role, and Mr. Rove was seated conspicuously just behind the president at a cabinet meeting, an image of business as usual. On Thursday, on the trip with Mr. Bush to Indiana, Mr. Rove grinned his way through a brief encounter with reporters after getting off Air Force One.

    Mr. Bush's White House has been characterized by loyalty and long tenures, but no one has been at Mr. Bush's side in his journey through politics longer than Mr. Rove, who has been his strategist, enforcer, policy guru, ambassador to social and religious conservatives and friend since they met in Washington in the early 1970's. People who know Mr. Bush said it was unlikely, if not unthinkable, that he would seek Mr. Rove's departure barring a criminal indictment.

    David E. Sanger contributed reporting for this article.
  19. Dubya is a Dick Full Member

    Portion of Press Gaggle by Scott McClellan


    WhiteHouse.gov

    Aboard Air Force One
    En Route Indianapolis, Indiana

    11:55 A.M. EDT

    ......

    Q Will Karl come back and talk to us at the event?

    MR. McCLELLAN: No, I don't expect that today.

    Q Why not?

    MR. McCLELLAN: I just don't -- there's no plans for him to do that.

    Q How long is he going to stay on the staff?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think I expressed the President's views yesterday, when it comes to Karl.

    Q Remind me, how long is he going to stay on the staff?

    MR. McCLELLAN: That's a nice try to keep bringing up questions relating to media reports about an ongoing investigation. As the President indicated yesterday, we are not going to prejudge an ongoing investigation based on media reports. The President directed the White House to cooperate fully, and that's what we've been working to do. And we will be more than happy to talk about the investigation after it is completed.

    But the President -- I again made clear yesterday that when it comes to the President's confidence in Karl and his support for him, I made clear our views.

    Q Does the President believe it's appropriate for the RNC to continue to weigh in on this matter? They put out another memo today, with a top-10 Joseph Wilson lies. If indeed it's an ongoing investigation and it's improper for the White House to discuss it, does he think it's proper for the Republican Party to weigh in on it?

    MR. McCLELLAN: You know, Geoff, I appreciate the question, and as you heard me say yesterday, we are not going to prejudge the outcome of the investigation based on media reports. And I'm not going to get into --

    Q What about the RNC, though, Scott?

    MR. McCLELLAN: No, I said, I'm not going to get into discussing matters relating to an ongoing investigation. We'll let the investigation come to a conclusion, and then I'll be more than happy to talk about it, as will the President.

    Q Does the President -- did he yesterday get his --

    MR. McCLELLAN: What I'm telling you is that those are all questions relating to an ongoing investigation.

    Q Did the President get his news yesterday about Justice Rehnquist's health from media reports?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, Andy Card and I did, and Andy Card and I informed the President in the Oval Office yesterday, shortly after the news reports came out. I think that that was the case previously, when the Chief Justice went into the hospital, we didn't have any advance notification either.

    Q So why is it acceptable for him to base his information about the Chief Justice's health on news reports, but not about an investigation within the West Wing? What's the distinction there?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Oh, I think there's a lot of distinctions there. This is relating to an ongoing criminal investigation. There are clear distinctions in that. That's a nice try to get us to discuss an ongoing investigation, but I think we need to let that investigation continue.

    Q Let me just try one last thing, Scott, because I wasn't here yesterday.

    MR. McCLELLAN: Hang on, hang on. I'll come to your question, Geoff. I'd like an opportunity to be able to talk before you all jump in, too.

    We have said for quite some time that this is an ongoing investigation, and that we weren't going to get into discussing it. So that's not something that's new as of this week.

    Q But should the RNC be talking about it?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Again, I said yesterday, and we have been through a couple of days of questions relating to this investigation, I said I'm happy to talk about it once it's over, but until that time, we'll let the investigation continue.

    Q How about Wilson? He was on the shows --

    MR. McCLELLAN: We're trying to be helpful to its coming to a successful conclusion.

    Q Wilson was on the shows today. He basically said there was a massive cover-up being conducted by the White House, and that Rove should be fired. What do you say to Wilson?

    MR. McCLELLAN: The President said we're not going to get into prejudging the outcome of an ongoing investigation, based on media reports and --

    Q I'm talking about Wilson, I'm not talking about the investigation.

    MR. McCLELLAN: We'll let the investigation continue and come to a conclusion, and then we'll be happy to talk about it at that point. But these -- Adam, these are all questions relating to an ongoing investigation, and I indicated yesterday that there's really nothing more to add to what we've already said.

    ......

    MR. McCLELLAN: And I should point out that, because, Ann, you brought up Chief Justice Rehnquist earlier, that we continue to wish him a speedy recovery and hope he's out of the hospital soon.

    Q What was that? I'm sorry.

    MR. McCLELLAN: That we continue to wish Chief Justice Rehnquist a speedy recovery.

    Q How are you updated about his condition, Scott?

    MR. McCLELLAN: I'm sorry?

    Q How are you all being updated on his condition?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, if you're asking if we've had any contact from the Court, we haven't, regarding his hospitalization.

    Q Well, why weren't you guys informed before it was in the press, before it was on TV? When did you guys get your first notification?

    MR. McCLELLAN: That's what Ann was asking at the beginning, if you want to check your tape.

    Q So when -- okay.

    MR. McCLELLAN: I can say it again, but --

    Q It was after it was on the --

    MR. McCLELLAN: Andy Card and I informed the President --

    Q After it was reported --

    MR. McCLELLAN: -- after the news reports came out, or after the -- following the statement by the Court indicated that he had gone to the hospital with a fever.

    Q Why wouldn't they tell you before? Why wouldn't they tell you before they make a public announcement?

    MR. McCLELLAN: Well, like I said, the previous time he had gone to the hospital for surgery, I don't recall that we were given any advance notice.

    ......
  20. Topper Grace Full Member

    Oh, Mr. Wilson...

    Plame's Input Is Cited on Niger Mission
    Report Disputes Wilson's Claims on Trip, Wife's Role

    By Susan Schmidt
    Washington Post Staff Writer

    Former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publicly.

    Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.

    The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html?referrer=emailarticle
  21. Dubya is a Dick Full Member

    washington post. why not site the National Review ?
  22. Robinsmuff Probationary Member

    First off, you reveal your total ignorance when you refer to J. Miller as a liberal reporter. She is a schill for the GOP & more than any other reporter sold this country on the war in Iraq. The fact that you don't even realize that provides evidence to the rest of your cluelessness.

    The CIA has already dismissed any suggestions that it was Wilson's Wife that recommended him for the job. Total Bullshit allegation that is pure Rove magic. He knows there are enough blind & stupid Americans like yourself that will swallow whatever shit he feeds. Like the article released yesterday about Rove hearing of Plame's status from a reporter. This is an obvious story planted by the administration itself. The fact that so many people are swallowing it as a legit leak by an un-named source is laughable.

    Rove is in trouble, & it has nothing to do with whether Plame was covert or not, or whether Rove heard about her status from a reporter, or whether he knew her name or not. This administration has already set a precedent when dealing with leaks & it won't help Rove.
    CNN

    Notice who the author is? He should know about scandals. Your Bush will go down as one of the most inept corrupt President's ever & all your bull shit propaganda can't change that.
  23. kali

    kali Closed by User

    you are indeed stupid. i can't say anything about being conservative as on issues of the Bill of Rights, that's what I am.

    in any case, contrary to what you may have seen on TV, "spies" are in fact often recruted from normal people in normal situations. the part that is undercover is the info they are supposed to gather, NOT their "super-secret-fake name" or their "super-secret-techy-weapons" or any of that 007 stuff.

    in case you haven't noticed, this is EXACTLY what the Terrorists are doing as well. guys like Osama hang out in some secret cave, but the organization finds suckers who come to the middle east to "study" religion. they find young fellas they can brainwash into killing themselves for the cause. these young fellas come from regular families. this is what happened in London last week. and what happened with most of the fellas who created 9-11 here in NY.

    a person is a spy because of what is in their head - not because of their clothes or wallet.
  24. sparty89

    sparty89 SFN Gold Supporter

    Douchebag, are you saying the Post is not a liberal rag?! Are you thinking of the Wash Times?
  25. Luther Full Member

    In case you have not heard, Kali, she was not an undercover spy at the time she was supposedly outed. Her friends and neighbors knew she worked for the CIA. She made no secret of the fact.

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