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Trayvon Martin

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Reverend Tyler, Mar 19, 2012.

  1. blargy

    blargy SFN Gold Supporter

    We all know that I think Ming is a dumb douche bag, but this was pretty funny...
  2. NC-Stern-Mark

    NC-Stern-Mark Closed by User

    Fongul, Firefox had it in the cache... :jj2:
  3. Morrisb Full Member

    Blame the idiots who keep putting in place this law.;lst;4

    .. the law at the center of the shooting was co-sponsored in 2005 by State Representative Dennis Baxley. The legislator says he doesn't have any regrets about creating the law.

    "I think it's been a great protection for our people," Baxley said.

    The intent of the law was to expand the right to claim self defense beyond the home. It allows a person to "stand his or her ground and meet force with force," "including deadly force" if there's a reasonable belief it's needed to "prevent death or great bodily harm," even if there's a chance to escape...

    Similar legislation has been passed in 23 other states since 2005. The Tampa Bay Times newspaper found 132 cases in Florida where the law has been invoked; 74 defendants were cleared.

    For some of those who have dealt with the law before, the Trayvon Martin case brings back a lot of memories.

    "It brought back a lot of bad memories," said Sharon Bostic.

    Bostic's 16-year-old son Traveres was sitting in his car in a Sanford parking lot when he was surprised by private armed guards in 2005.

    The teen pulled away in his car. The guards shot him in the back and killed him. A Judge dismissed manslaughter charges after the guards claimed Traveres was trying to run them over.

    "They should never have passed a law like that. This is not Jesse James and Doc Holliday time," Bostic said.
  4. Reverend Tyler Full Member,0,4163905.story

    In a tense meeting Wednesday that highlighted growing tensions over the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, local officials in Sanford, Fla., passed a vote of no confidence in the police chief as protests spread north to New York City, where the slain youth’s parents joined a Manhattan march demanding the killer’s arrest.

    The no-confidence measure passed 3 to 2 after more than an hour of debate, and though it was not binding, the outcome and the public groans and applause that punctuated the debate underscored the anger pulsing through the Orlando suburb nearly a month after 17-year-old Trayvon Martin’s death on Feb. 26. Most of that anger is focused on the fact that the confessed shooter, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, who has been described as both Latino and white, has not been arrested.

    Dozens of Sanford residents gathered in the Sanford City Hall, where City Commissioner Mark McCarty set the tone for the meeting by noting that he had called for Police Chief Bill Lee’s ouster 10 days earlier in a meeting with the city manager, Norton N. Bonaparte Jr.

    “I take no pleasure in publicly flogging our police chief. He’s a good man,” McCarty said.

    But McCarty said questions surrounding the case, and the negative publicity cast upon the city since the killing, were largely the result of mishandling of the investigation. The questions, he said, include whether police were too quick to accept Zimmerman’s claim that he fired in self-defense, despite the fact that Martin was unarmed and that witnesses described hearing someone wailing for help before a gunshot rang out.

    A lawyer representing Martin's family, Benjamin Crump, has said that the teenager was on a cellphone with his girlfriend and expressed concern that he was being followed by a strange man in the seconds before he was shot. And two women who live near the shooting scene have said that Martin was lying face-down, with Zimmerman looming over him, after he was shot.

    “If it was self-defense, why was he [Zimmerman] on Trayvon’s back?” one of the witnesses, Mary Cutcher, told CNN in an interview.

    City Commissioners Patty Mahany and Randy Jones argued against the no-confidence vote, saying the city needed to wait for the outcomes of a grand jury inquiry scheduled for April 10 and a Department of Justice investigation. “A rush to judgment in any situation is wrong,” said Mahany, calling the no-confidence motion a “knee-jerk reaction.”

    Only the city manager, Bonaparte, can fire Lee or ask for his resignation, and he gave no indication he planned to do so. But as speaker after speaker, black and white, took to the microphone to question why Zimmerman had not been arrested, it was clear that Bonaparte faced pressure that showed no sign of diminishing.

    The Rev. Al Sharpton was due to lead a rally in Sanford on Thursday, and the city was planning for hundreds and possibly thousands of people at a special meeting Monday night to focus on the case.

    In Manhattan’s Union Square, hundreds of people marched in memory of the slain teenager in a so-called Million Hoodie March on Wednesday, including Martin’s parents. Martin was wearing a hooded sweatshirt when he was killed while walking back from a store where he had purchased some candy and a drink.

    "We're not going to stop until we get justice," said the teenager's father, Tracy Martin, after thanking the crowd in New York, which chanted, "We want arrests," according to the Associated Press.

    "My son did not deserve to die," the teen's mother, Sybrina Fulton, told the crowd, AP reported. "My heart is in pain, but to see the support of all of you really makes a difference."

    More than a dozen speakers spoke at the Sanford meeting, the overwhelming majority of them black Sanford residents complaining that the Police Department was quick to arrest blacks while letting whites accused of similar offenses to go free. Several of them described arbitrary arrests and harassment by police. “I was born and raised in Sanford, and I’ve had this problem plenty of times,” said Robin Riggins, a black woman.

    One resident, however, spoke in favor of Lee, arguing that the case should be allowed to “run its course.”

    “There's two sides to every story,” said the resident, a white man who said he had lived in Sanford for decades. “We can’t rush to judgment and have Chief Lee be responsible for everything that occurs if we find out in an investigation he did his job.”

    He noted that Lee had only been on the job 10 months.

    Lee took over after the previous chief was forced out following an outcry over the beating of a black man in downtown Sanford by a white man who is a police officer’s son. The police did not arrest the man, even though the beating was captured on video.
  5. VacateTheWord Full Member

    I haven't been following this story too closely - this guy who shot this kid wasn't an off-duty cop he was a self-described neighborhood watchman (or whatever he called it) and followed this kid because he hadn't seen him in the neighborhood before, yes?
  6. Reverend Tyler Full Member

    Yes...Said "these assholes always get away" and then muttered "fucking coons" as he followed him...then the kid was shouting for help as Zimmerman shot him and killed him in cold blood. He "looked suspicious" as he walked to his father's house.
  7. HanzoTheRazor Full Member

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  8. jigzaw Full Member

    The 911 calls are very damning for Zimmerman, but I don't trust the sensationalist media for a second and will wait until actual facts are presented in court before I go deciding that I know what happened that night. If there's one thing news anchors are good at, it's whipping up lynch mobbery for ratings, reporting rumors as fact, and other bullshit.
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  9. jigzaw Full Member

    Sounds to me like what he said was "fucking punks".
  10. Reverend Tyler Full Member

    IF presented in court...he hasnt been charged with anything.
  11. jigzaw Full Member

    An investigation, and probably arrest, is definitely in order. I'm just trying to resist the urge to jump onto the lynch mob bandwagon until more investigating has been done. So far, it's all emotional and racial judgments I'm hearing in the reporting.

    Mark does have a point... People of all races are murdered everyday for all sorts of reasons, but the hype only happens when it's white-on-black crime.. probably because it's relatively very rare, rather than the "societal problem" the busybodies like to claim it is.
  12. ThisFaceBangsBeth Full Member

    All these liberal and Black groups just want to point to racism over and over. Now that they haven't been stopped for saying "all White people are racist". They are now moving to other races like Hispanics, and Asians. Any race can be racist, even Blacks. But, the liberal and black groups don't want people to see that for themselves.
  13. Kill Van Kull Full Member

    CCW permits are issued too haphazardly. These types of incidents are happening far too frequently by cop-wannabe's and morons. There is virtually zero use-of-force, safe-handling, weapon rention or legal ramification training involved. Training to legally carry a gun in public should be no less than 400 hours -- presently, it's about 20 minutes.

    Common sense needs to prevail concerning CCW because right now, it's non-existent.

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  14. ThisFaceBangsBeth Full Member

    The shooter called the police almost 100 time in his neighborhood watch job in his gated community. Which tells me that there were a lot of suspicious activity going on in the neighborhood before hand. If it was a mostly Jewish, White, or Hispanic gated community. The obvious thing would be that Non-Jewish, White, and Hispanic people would look "suspicious" on principle alone. This can go the same for Black communities who have White people come there for drugs. They know they don't belong there. Anyway, the shooter was wrong for not listening to the police dispatcher if they told him to stay in the car if he felt in danger. Unless there was other people on the street who he felt was in danger too, and he felt he needed to do something about it to protect them.
  15. ThisFaceBangsBeth Full Member

    It is not even that. When you own a gun you need to have good commonsense and good judgment enough to know when it is the right time to use a gun, and most people don't know when to use it in stressful situations like police do. That is why police officers go through years of training so they can be vetted on their good commonsense and good judgment. This is why city police are better than suburb police, and why you always hear about police shootings in small towns a lot of times. City police go to some of the worst environments everyday, but they don't pull out there guns to shot anybody most of the time.
  16. jigzaw Full Member

    Ugh.. the more I read about it the more ridiculous it looks. I mean, the fucking police dispatcher told Zimmerman NOT to follow or confront the guy but he went after him anyway and, as far as we know (and more investigation is in order) there's no reason to believe Martin was doing anything wrong. Just looks like a nutjob attacked a young teenager for no reason and shot him dead. Unless there's some major part of this story that the police haven't revealed yet, I can't comprehend why they didn't arrest him on the spot.
  17. HanzoTheRazor Full Member

    probably something to do with the law in FLA.

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  18. jigzaw Full Member

    That law is questionable, but I don't see how that stopped him from getting arrested. I mean, if someone walks up to another person and shoots them and all the evidence points to him as the aggressor (as the 911 calls show) then he can't just say "self defense" without expecting at least an investigation. Self defense is legal everywhere, but it has to be pretty damn obvious and clear-cut for there not be any investigation at all. I'm usually the last person to cry "racism" but these cops have a lot to answer for.
  19. jigzaw Full Member

    Never mind.. I get it now, the cops wrongly cited the Stand Your Ground law as the reason they made the judgment that Zimmerman had done nothing wrong. I still contend that the law itself was not intended to protect an aggressor (as Zimmerman appears to be), but simply to protect people who defend their homes from the old "you could have run away" clause and get charged with murder for shooting an intruder. There needs to be a day in court over this killing. The cops overstepped their bounds and played judge and jury prematurely, probably because they're racist fucking hillbillies. I could be wrong, of course, but it's sure what it looks like.
  20. Kill Van Kull Full Member

    The problem with stand your ground laws is that "NRA Johnny the CCW holder" usually has a fundemental misunderstanding for the law's spirit.

    Johnny gets his CCW application, pays his $20.00 bucks and presto, he instantly becomes Johnny the super-hero crime fighter, and legally carrys the most unforgiving hand-held device in the history of mankind, a loaded gun.

    Only, he has not a clue how to use it correctly or the law concerning it's use because he has never been trained.

    This is a direct threat to public safety and every American should be outraged.

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  21. dogcow Full Member

    he's not "free" the state attorneys office is investigating. police make arrests but they do not bring charges. if there was not probable cause to make the arrest they have to leave it to the prosecutor to bring charges. Without an eye witness there was not enough cause, at the time, to make the arrest.

    The case will likely go to a grand jury, he will likely be charged, and he will likely plead to manslaughter and serve 3-5
  22. dogcow Full Member

    where he was killed was far from the deep south lol
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  24. dogcow Full Member

    I agree to some degree, in this case its a great example of how the "stand your ground law" is is seriously flawed. Zimmerman went looking for trouble, and he found it. He should be afforded no special protection.
  25. dogcow Full Member

    the real question here IMO is why is this a national story when so many black teens are killed every week in black-on-black crime, are we that desensitized to the killing of kids that people only care when racial overtones come into play.
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