Witnesses changing Tray-Zim stories

MSNBC - At least four key witnesses have changed their stories about what they saw the night George Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla. the Orlando Sentinel reported Tuesday...

Witness 12: A young mother in the townhome community first said she saw two men on the ground but wasn’t sure who was on top; she later said Zimmerman was on top because she recognized his size based on news reports.

Witness 13: A male neighbor first said Zimmerman, with a bloodied head, told him he had to shoot Martin because “he was beating up on me,” and to please call Zimmerman’s wife. He later went into detail and described Zimmerman’s tone right after the shooting as casual, like the shooting was “nothing.”

It's a long read from a right wing source, but it seems now that the girlfriend will never testify. If the website is right, you can forget the girlfriend's testimony, because she was not his girlfriend. and the prosecutor went around the grand jury for the purpose of avoiding including the girlfriend's testimony, because they know her story is unusable, as it was manufactured/embellished by Crump for the civil law suit. Crump is a civil attorney, not a criminal attorney. It is/was weird the way he hung around the TV interviews as his inarticulate gibberish and lack of knowledge about criminal law did not seem to help the prosecution. It seems he needed a 1.) charge and 2.) a trial, but not a conviction, to get the civil law suit off the ground. Without those two, he would not have a civil law suit. The girlfriend, who did not contact anyone until weeks after the incident, did not go to the funeral, the Martin family did not know about her, and she did not co-operate with the police, has had her social media and identity scrubbed. But they have rebuilt it thru searching caches. You can go to the end of the article to read her posts during the days in question. She finds out about Martins death the next day, not the day of. She posts RIP and is not overly distraught.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com...tin-shooting-deedee-reveals-the-false-truths/

"Some news agencies have reported that Sanford's lead investigator, Chris Serino, wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter that night but Wolfinger's office put a stop to it. The city of Sanford issued a statement saying that is not true.

Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists "manslaughter" as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency

With eye witness stories, they always change. Especially in something high profile like this.

It's why the cops fucked up big time. Right away you need to get detailed eye witness accounts before they here any information from another source.

Agreed.

her testimony is heresay i dont think it would have been admissible anyway

I think you are missing the point. Allthough it is not stated explicitly, what might be happening here is Crump is throwing around promises and rigging things to get his lawsuit. Witnesses are changing stories due to outrside pressure, whether it is pressure from the public or offers of rewards later on. If Crump is shrewd, he will do it in a way that cannopt be traced back to him, hecne the need for Jackson and the other shakedown artists. However, if someone in law enforcement was motivated, this could be the obstruction of justice case that would blow the lid off of the black community's explotiation of these incidents. I really hope it goes to a full trial and judgement, because the prosecutors will end up humiliated.

Important info to know: where was the body found in relation to Zimmerman's SUV and Trayvon's fathers house.

My question pertaining to the phone call with DeeDee: I have it on good authority that Martin family attorney Ben Crump approached DeeDee only several weeks after the incident took place. This calls into question DeeDee’s ability to remember the details of her phone conversation with Martin and it also brings up the question of why DeeDee did not approach authorities. Did she approach them and they rebuffed her, or did she say nothing until asked by Crump? If the phone conversation occurred as she told Crump and prosecutors it did, why did she or her family not call police? If one is on the phone with a person who says they’re being followed and then they hear a scuffle and then the phone goes dead, the next reasonable move would be to call police.

And it’s already been pointed out in many places that Trayvon Martin was between George Zimmerman and his father’s house when Zimmerman began pursuing him. Perhaps Zimmerman pursued to some degree, but at some point Martin seemingly doubled back. He didn’t make a bee line home only to be cut off by Zimmerman. Simon Templar made this case quite well.

One reason Zimmerman was not charged initially; he passed Sanford police voice stress test. Not admissible but another fact not widely reported.

George Zimmerman passed a voice stress test, a type of lie detector test, immediately following the Trayvon Martin shooting.
Reuters reported, via Pat Dollard:

George Zimmerman’s defense team is growing, suggesting that he’s planning for a grand jury indictment and a subsequent criminal trial. Interestingly, his new attorney has begun releasing some previously unknown facts.
Did you know that, on the night of Trayvon Martin’s death, Sanford police gave George Zimmerman a voice stress test?
They did, and the results probably contributed to his release.
A voice stress test is like a polygraph, but instead of measuring heart rate and blood pressure, it looks for changes in an individual’s voice patterns that are thought to suggest psychological stress. With the help of software, investigators record a suspect answering baseline questions and then compare them to answers about the case.
This technology is not unique to Sanford. The National Institute for Truth Verification, a manufacturer of the technology, claims that over 1,800 local, state and federal law enforcement agencies use their product. They also claim to have trained U.S. Military personnel.
George Zimmerman’s voice stress test came out clean, according to attorney Hal Uhrig.

I can't imagine that the police didn't canvass the area right after the shooting.

That aside, whether or not these people change their testimony will not affect the case - there's no way they will be deemed to be credible if they claimed to see one thing shortly after the shooting and suddenly change their tune months afterwards (the latter implies an ulterior motive).

Who says they didn't interview people right away?

Yeah I guess i'm not sure. Just seeing accounts published in the media.

I think it just gets down to. The way they handled this and released him shouldn't be done so quickly. There should always be a thorough investigation. So when, say people get upset at his release. The cops can clearly go. Here's the facts.

At this stage it seems unlikely a fair or proper trial could be done.

Not admissible means it's worthless.

If you are a prosecutor trying to decide whether or not to charge someone, or which plea deal to offer, whether or not the accused is telling the truth is huge. In fact, if the accused is telling the truth, it means you are trying to wrongfully convict an innocent person. Truth on the stand is revealed also by subconscious acts to the judge and jury. These signals are picked up by judges and jury. The fact that the prosecutor has charged someone which their own veracity test indicates is telling the truth is not admissible in court, but it could be the biggest indicator of a win or loss. That is why they administer the test in the first place, why waste time if, given the context of all the other evidence, the accused takes a truth test willingly, without a lawyer present to advise him, and passes it? You know why it is not wise to charge an accused in a case like that? Because the accused is probably telling the truth and this will come thru loud and clear when he testifies, which means you are shit out of luck and won't get a conviction. This veracity will come back to bite you right in the ass.

Is bammyonthedl a schtick character like Rush Hannity or is he someone who ate paint chips as a child?

He is a mult.

The test is worthless. It's results are worthless.

Whether or not someone took it is worthless.

They are things that shouldn't be used at all because they don't work.

Establishing the facts is what's important. Then when you can't establish facts clearly you start weighing these things up.

So what questions did he pass? That he shot Trayvon in self defense. Whoop dee do. That probably is his perspective. Doesn't mean it was justified or not.

lol such a good point.
at best a voice analysis would confirm Jorge was the shooter.
it didn't strike me at first what a load of bullshit that is

there seems to be no limit to the things you can't imagine, bud

Perhaps Zimmerman was on top at some point, but his bloodied head and wet, grass stained clothes prove he was also on the bottom. Unless someone witnessed who struck the first blow, not sure her account makes a difference.

He was an armed man stalking a teenager. Even if Trayvon struck first. It was self defense against what Zimmerman started.

The prosecution already said they don't know who started the fight, how's Zimmerman going to be convicted when it can't be proven he was the aggressor?

Was it a load of bullshit that OJ could not pass a lie detector test? Is it a load of bullshit that police departments offer the use of a lie detector test to accuseds and if they pass it, the investigation is normally dropped? Is it a load of bullshit that the diamond industry uses lie detector tests and its employees, and when threatened with it being banned, they would move the entire industry to another state? For some reason, the concept that something that has been ruled inadmissible in a court of law and yet is extremely useful in determining the truth of what happened and is a very useful tool for law enforcement is too hard for some to grasp.