Witnesses changing Tray-Zim stories

You are really thick. What the test proves is that when Zimmerman said Trayvon attacked him, he was not lying. Unless you want to believe he "tricked the test." You can add that one to more of the unfounded speculation. Google is your friend, the tests do work, that is why they are used, but they are inadmissible in a court of law as they are not 100% reliable or foolproof. As the technology improves, that ruling may change. For someone who is interested in knowing what actually happened that night, the lie detector test is extremely useful. Ofcourse, only a moron would say that it is the deciding factor in finding out what happened, but also, only a moron would say it is worthless. There is not a police officer on this planet that would say they are worthless, that is they they are used. The deciding factor in guilt or innocence? No. Useful, ofcourse.

i dont think provocation is an accepted defense to an assault.even if 9/10 people would have punched him menacing them,it doesnt make it legal

i believe to prove murder 2 the prosecutor
would have to show that gz initiated the physical altercation with the intention of killing tm. that is going to be difficult to prove. i think its very unlikely tro get a jury to convict on murder 2 , i think it is very likely a jury will find gz guilty of a lesser charge, its important to look at the difference between vol. manslaughter and murder 2

u dont understand use of a lie detector in a criminal interrogation it is not used to determine if the suspect is lying. first thing u need to know is it is not illegal for the police to lie to you about the results of a polygraph examination.

so picture this scenario, you have been interrogated for many hours, and badgered to confess you are asked to take a polygraph the police take you back into the interrogation room you are told you have failed the polygraph, then you are badgered more for a confession. this is a common interrogation tactic. the police do not care about the results of the polygraph (because they arent admissable) they just care the suspect believes that the device can detect lies, if the suspect is told they failed the test,they are likely to confess, its a psychological arm twisting at its finest. the entire thing is nothing more than an interrogation tactic. it has been well documented as a cause of false confessions in many criminal cases.

http://wrongfulconvictionsblog.org/2012/02/23/the-polygraph-and-false-confessions/

A physical altercation occurred, no one can prove who started it...the accused states he was being beaten up, there is evidence that indicates that is true, he fires his legally owned weapon and killed his attacker

I don't know why he is even charged...if he was black, none of us would have even heard of this story

They are praying for a plea deal, or their final hope would be an OJ jury that will render a "jury conviction." However, thankfully, jury selection is stacked in favor of the defence. Also, the prosecution seem total fumble buns, whereas defence lawyer will hire a jury consultant. It will be hard for the prosecution to stack the jury, unless someone jury tampers. With an OJ jury, anything is possible.

That guy is full of shit

They can use the threat of a lie detector test to coerce a confession. That is a totally different sceanrio than when soemone actually passes the test. The fact that it is used in a coercive way, or that is has resulted in false confessions, in no way contradicts its value when an accused passes the tes., To the contrary, the police "used" the threat of the test against Zimmerman and, without a lwayer, he called their bluff, their coercive tactic, he did not confess, he took their test and passed it. That is one of the reasons he was not charged, the police believed him. The fact that the test is used as a coercive technique agaisnt accuseds means passing it is even more impressive.

http://tinyurl.com/d3vufh9

no it isnt,passing a lie detector is considered irrelevant during an interrogation the police often lie about the results to elicit a confession, go look it up... i believe pbs even did a doc about false confessions where this came into it. no leo in their right mind would consider passing a polygraph alone as evidence of innocence

It is irrelevant to someone who passed the test. Why do you think the dream team first gave OJ their own private lie detector test from an expert they hired? Because if OJ passes their test, you trump that out and hope the charges are withdrawn, or at the least you use it to influecne the jury. Once OJ failed their test, the dream team all knew he was guilty. Then, someone concocted an absurd lie for OJ, "Iz dreamt of killing Nicole, thaz why I kaint take da lie detector test from da poleess, see." Ofcourse, they probably did not dare to hope that many people would be dumb enough to swallow that lie so easily, but there you have it. If it does not fit, you must acquit.

Alone, no. As a piece of evidence to find out the truth in the context of all the evidence, ofcourse.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1777518&page=1#.T7-pYkXOyIA

White man observing suspicious Black - STALKING
Black man observing White man who he is probably planning to rob/beat - CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/23/nyregion/23canaan.html

Mr. Reilly was just 18 when he returned home from a church meeting and found his mother's crumpled body. The slashing of her neck left her nearly decapitated. She had been sexually assaulted. Her nose, ribs and thigh bones had been broken.

Within hours, the police began a marathon interrogation of Mr. Reilly, convincing him that his response to a lie detector test proved him the killer. Riven by shock, he confessed.His conviction was overturned when new evidence placed him five miles away at the time of the slaying.

ur contradicting what you just said, no police department closes an investigation based on
a person passing a polygraph its nonsense. its simply not used a serious tool to aid investigation
its a tool for interrogation

i do not know why they gave him a polygraph, it could nto have been presented to the jury
the prosecutor would not have dropped the charges based on the test, his DNA was found
at the crime scene and hers at his car and home

Apparently some police departments actually use psychics.

You can't use them in court because they don't work. Just because some people think they do. Means jack shit.

first of all, that is simply untrue. Police departmetns do and will close investigations if you pass a polygraph. Ff a criminal lawyer here is sure that his client is innocent, which, no exageration, sometimes never happens in their careers, he/she will actually have his client privately tested first and then have it done by the police, so that is simply false, but believe what you want. Secondly, I am not contracdicting myself, you misunderstand what I said. As an interested person, sitting here at SFN, wanting to know if Zimmerman should go to jail or not, arguing about it here, ofcourse it is relevant to knowing the truth. With respect to Cory and the prosecution, in this case, they can thank their lucky stars it is inadmissible, which helps only them. In theory, for a prosecutor who wants justice and does not want to jail an inncoent man, it should be considered even though indamissible in court,and a prosecutor will want to know the results. For Cory that ship sailed long ago. If this was a good prosecutor, you would be worried as well, because you would know from the Sanford police that the cops there think Zimmerman is telling the truth about all the events that night. This should worry you temendously because then you assume, unlike OJ, Zimmerman will take the stand and unfortunately for the prosecution, a man telling the truth is far more convincing because he is does not have to lie and, well, is telling the truth. So you should use that info to determine what plea deal you would make, but again, in this case that ship too has sailed. For this prosecution team, you are right, they are ignoring the resuls of this test administered by their own system. They seem to be literlally cherry picking the evidence if you read the addidavit. Their ignoring of this issue and maybe other things the Sanford police told them will come back to bite them in the ass.

http://www.jacksonvillecriminaldefenseattorneyblog.com/2011/06/are_lie_detector_test_results.html

show me an example of this? i have never heard of it, i do not believe such a thing. its an interrogation tool. i e-mailed over to a friend who is a former ASA he confirmed the police do not
rule out suspects based on these type of tests.

i would love to see an actual account of this because i find it highly suspect any defense atty will say these tests are not reliable.

i cant speak to cherry picking of other evidence but they are correct to ignore evidence which is inadmissible and unreliable.

Here in Canada they do. I know people in the police forces. Maybe not in the U.S. If you think that Cory or someone from the prosecution's office did not speak to the police officer who conducted the test, or if they did not, you think that it is "correct" for them not to get all the information they can from the officer who conducted this test and simply "ignore" all evidence that is inadmissible or that may be unreliable, then you and I will have to agree to disagree.

My ex wife was a clinically diagnosed narcissist who would laugh at a lie detector in it's face.

sure it does, sparky.thanks for setting us straight

Polygraphs are used for lots of things, eliminate suspects, gather info...etc..etc...it's not an interrogation, you're told the questions they are going to ask.......before they're asked.......if they indicate deception, they can lead to more questions......people as a general rule get mad when accused of something they didn't do...studies indicate they are 98 percent reliable of identifying deception

If Zimmerman headed back to his vehicle as he claimed (which has yet to be refuted) and Trayvon approached him then threw the first punch, it's not self defense on Trayvon's part. However, if Zimmerman kept chasing him after the 911 dispatcher told him to stop, which led to the altercation, I'm w/ you, George should get time.