Witnesses changing Tray-Zim stories

Ok babe, help the prosecution just a bit here. Pretend we are not in a court of law, but in the back office, working on the case. An experienced Sanford polcie officer has told you Zimmerman passed the lie detector test and that officer believes Zimmerman is telling the truth about what happened. Keep in mind, Zimmerman has never denied shooting Martin. Now, with your superior intelligence, laughing at the Sanford police admninsitering a lie detector test, which I tell you is sensible to do, tell us what evidence there is refuting Zimmerman's version of events. You find the Sanford police's use of the veracity testing laughabe, you "ignore it", ha ha, it is inadmissible. Ok, so balls in your court, what evidence is there to refute Zimmerman's version of events?

I don't have access to evidence, guy. I am just pointing out how silly it is to say a lie detector proves anything much less prove Jorge's state of mind when he pulled the trigger.
from all information thus far the Sanford police department is full of complete idiots...just sayin, babe. maybe I will delve into right wing blogs to form my opinion like you do though.

Ok, well we do to some of it, especially after reading the affidavit. Google is your friend. State of Mind when he pulled the trigger? I never said that. I said it proved Zimmerman is telling the truth about what happened that night. Don't bother with right wing blogs, take this at face value: Good fucking luck to you and the prosecution convicting a man whose lie detector test proves he is being truthful, and who the "idiots" at Sanford police department believe is innocent. Good luck to you and your ace prosecutors. You are so fucking fucked and you don't even know it. Failing a major intervention, Zimmerman is walking.

I don't live in FLA and have no investment in this case, bra. I don't know how the law will be interpreted by the courts so my assessment of the police evidence dump is irrelevant.
YOU said a lie detector proved that Jorge was telling the truth. Or do I have that wrong?

If you told me that a lie detector established that Jorge was at the scene of a crime that is plausible. To say it would provide convincing evidence that Jorge had some kind of right to gun a man down is ridiculous. But maybe you didn''t say that. Go ahead and correct me

considering the keystone Sanford police department performance I don't think anyone would be surprised if Jorge walks, sport. tell me something I didn't know when this story broke

The key to a convivtion will be who was the agreessor. Zimmerman will testify that it was Martin. The lie detector test is still evidence even though it can't be brought up in court, however crappy, or "we must ignore it", you may want to label it. Zimmerman's testimony will be the only direct evidence on this issue, and it just got a little bit stronger when you know he passed a lie detetctor test. The prosecution has the budren of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman intended to murder Martin. Besides the witnesses who can only give evidence as to what happened prior to, and who seem to be self destructing, what evidence will be presented to contradict Zimmerman's "lie detector passed" testimony? That is the question the prosecution had to ask themsleves before they overruled Sanford police.

Nobody should be surprised that Zimmerman will walk.? And you lay that concession that the case is obvioulsy weak at the feet of the Sanford "keystone cops?" Lay it where the blame should go : Cory. What at first appeared to be a racist decision by Sanford police in fact seems to have been the correct decision. He should not have been charged with murder, but they will get their civil suit and everyone walks away with some cash. Cory will not recover from this train wreck which will be fun to watch, one of the funniest bail hearings ever, a total prosecution disaster.

Sure zimmerman told the truth and as such, he's going to prison.

"Are you following him"?

"Yeah"...

OOPSI!!!

If you are carrying a permitted concealed weapon, you can't go around following or chasing people and then shoot them when your ass is getting beat. Its THAT simple...

Idiot should have stayed in the car and not played cop with a concealed weapon. LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED...

I don't think people are considering how impactful the fact zimmerman playing cop is going to be in the jury. They are going to go through the entire day, from how he picked out the holster he was using, the aftermarket grip on his gun, what kind of ammunition he uses and why, where does he carry, how often does he carry, how he feels when he carries...

The prosecutor is going to make damn sure the jury understands zimmerman left his home armed with a deadly weapon and then actively sought danger by following or chasing people he decided were "suspicious"

That was not a chocolate bar in his pocket, it was a concealed deadly weapon.

With the stand your ground law. Trayvon didn't have to run away. He could defend himself. By being in his legal right to go and fuck Zimmerman up.

We don't know though.

There is a big aspect. Zimmerman was a danger to himself and the community.

Although I don't know. I come from a non gun culture country.

So the idea of someone carrying is insane.

No, Trayvon didn't have to run, but he did. If Zimmerman was heading back to his vehicle and Trayvon then became the pursuer, the stand your ground law would then favor Zimmerman.

lie detectors are inadmissable as evidence, guy

glad you have tried this case already in your shitty little blogs.

Nopes doesn't work like that.

Running out of Zimmermans line of sight doesn't break the initial stalking. It's still the same event.

It does if Zimmerman was headed back to his vehicle to wait for police. If he was neither pursuing Trayvon, nor was he being aggressive towards him, (Zimmerman was, for lack of a better word, retreating), how could Trayvon be the one standing his ground?

It depends on how it is presented to the jury and whether the jury believes that zimmerman surrendered his aggressor status to the degree that he regained his right to use his concealed firearm in his defense.

To me, that is a bridge to far for zimmerman to consider and he will plea out.

There is nothing cut and dried in this case and that is not good for zimmerman. We do know zimmerman was running down people he personally judged suspicious, while armed with a deadly weapon and that is a big no-no and not so easily forgivable.

That is the issue, and I think it will be resolved on whether or not they believe Zimmerman. From NPR:

HORNSBY: Yes, because here's the question that ultimately must be asked by the judge or the jury when they're deciding whether or not George Zimmerman was engaged in lawful self-defense. The first question they have to ask is: Was his use of force under the circumstances reasonable?
So that - I think that can be a factor, but my personal opinion is this: George Zimmerman has apparently given a very specific scenario of what happened, and his scenario isn't that he got out of the car waving his gun, chasing this Mr. Martin down. His scenario is that he got out of the car trying to keep tabs on him and eventually turned back and was going back to his car.
If that is the case, it's almost irrelevant all these other things that people are upset about, him getting out of the car, the fact that he had a concealed weapon on him. That's not the issue. If - either Trayvon Martin really did come up and just basically punch him and then get him on the ground and start bashing his head against the sidewalk, or he didn't.
And if you believe George Zimmerman's version, that he got punched without provocation, and I don't mean by simply - that's not - following somebody is not provocation to get punched, and he had no other resort because he was on the ground, and he couldn't retreat even under the old law if he wanted to. Well, that's a pretty clear-cut case of self-defense.
But if the judge rejects that version, then it's really irrelevant what these other things are because the judge has made the decision that, you know, he's lying, and therefore he's not a credible witness. But if the judge believes that Trayvon Martin hit him, and then he fell to the ground, well, it didn't really matter all these other things that he got out of the car. Those aren't legal - they're not illegal. They are things that can be considered if the altercation happened under different circumstances.
But under the circumstances that George Zimmerman describes, I just fail to see, you know, what other options he would've had. He's not the one who asked Trayvon Martin to punch him if his version is the truth.
And I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying but if that's what the judge believes, it's very clear-cut. If you believe George Zimmerman, he was lawfully defending himself. But if you don't believe that version, there is evidence that refutes his version, well then he wasn't lawfully defending himself.

Zimmerman has problems. He has a history of pursuing people he judged to be suspicious, he pursued martin while armed and his head in no way shape or form looks like it was bashed on concrete, in fact his injuries are remarkable insignificant and that is bolstered by the fact zimmerman repeatedly refused medical treatment.

Meanwhile the court has a 17 year old unarmed kid that was shot to death in its considerations...


There is NOTHING clear-cut about this case, that guy is dreaming but NPR is a wonderful source of information.